Do you agree with these Tiers of Greatness for 90s-00s fighters?

Fixed. :thumbsup

 

Are you kidding dude? Alvarez beat 2 future champions and 2 long-reigning champions, which is more than what Nunn did. Nunn was in a glamour division that got far more attention so people see his achievements as superior. He beat top fighters on the way down at the end of their careers.

EDIT: Aaaaah, actually, never mind. Looking at Nunn's record again, that isn't strictly fair.

 

They are names - the fact they basically faded after the defeats shows they were on the way down - especially Starling and Curry. Wins over improving fighters that go on to do something proves much more.

 

Ah, first round knockouts - the great misnomer in boxing.

People tend to think that the first round knockout is the most comprehensive sort of victory when the fact is it's one of the least comprehensive as basically, when it comes to two fighters of a similar level, it automatically means that one of them was caught cold and is therefore well below their best.
In short, it proves nothing whatsoever - with the exception that one of the fighters does actually knockout people of a similar standard in the first round often. Unless of course you actualy think that Nunn was several levels above McCullum...

Alvarez's defeat of Chana Porpaoin and Kermin Guardia proved shitloads more than Nunn's KO1 of Kalambay, although I wouldn't say they were "better". And they are better than anything else Nunn has done. Same with the win over Beibis Mendoza. THEY went on to do something, whereas the big-name fighters on Nunn's record didn't.

 

Bodhis ranking esp with regard to LL Wlad and Cal is much more plausible

 

All seems a little arbitrary tbh.

 

Not quite. Mostly because of the way I scored some fights for certain fighters. I've moved Calzaghe up a tier but I think he is the weakest name there. I moved JLC up a tier also...maybe out of favouritism? Not sure why, I thought he pushed Mayweather close to the limit and was the best out of the Corrales, Casamayor, and Freitas era. That counts for something I guess. I also moved Mosley up a tier. Despite his one sided losses to the likes of Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest (Forrest especially) he would only have one loss to each if he actually realised he couldn't beat each of these guys in a month of Sundays and called it quits. Instead he went in there and did better but just didn't have the style to see him through. Winky was too big anyway in my opinion. Suicide fight. I can kind of see having Lopez, Klitschko and Tszyu in the same bracket maybe, but I'd have to give it much more thought.


Tier One

Manny Pacquiao, Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar De La Hoya


Tier Two

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Lennox Lewis, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Shane Mosley


Tier Three

James Toney, Felix Trinidad, Juan Manuel Marquez, Joe Calzaghe


Tier Four

Winky Wright, Kostya Tszyu, Ricardo Lopez, Jose Luis Castillo


Tier Five

Terry Norris, Wladimir Klitschko, Rafael Marquez

 

And much as I hate Calzaghe (Bodhi) the guy was just as dominant in his division as Wladimir, and beat some much better fighters overall. So I don't think it is fair to rank Wladimir ahead of him, at best they are in the same tier.

I know there is a certain something about being HW champion, but sitting back from an objective POV, considering his resume I think it would be difficult to quantify that ranking.

 

In many ways Kostya is a comparable champion to Wlad. Long reigning, dominant; but lacks a list of truly elite wins.

I think you might also struggle to justify ranking Wlad ahead of a Hall of Famer in Tszyu, as of now I would rank them in the same tier.

 

I don't see how Tszyu and Wlad can be seperated tbh. Or DLH/Mosley for that matter.