Wlad's p4p ranking

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  1. Blake Rayne

    Blake Rayne Fat Cuban Aficianado Full Member

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    Why is this news to you? Wlads always been very fast. Dumbass
     
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  2. Goro

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    Wlad would beat every boxer on planet earth
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Actually it's quite the opposite, as the thread showed. A lot of reasonable arguments have been put forth by myself and others and I feel much more confident about my placing of him at number 6.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I don't think anyone believes a midget would own wlad. You still haven't read the thread :patsch
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 8, 2011
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    If you weren't impressed with his reaction speed to the point he could still evade fast punches from a guy 2 stones lighter than him who was known for his quick hands than you're biased and/or a hater.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 8, 2011
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I agree there isn't an active boxer out there who could beat him, yet some people still try saying the 40 year old brother would knock him out :patsch
     
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  7. Blake Rayne

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    I have read the entire thread just as i had when i first posted. Maybe I should have communicated a bit better but the point im trying to make is that the Heavy Champ, as the actual top boxer and the yardstick for the P4P list should not be eligble for these lists. It's an insult to the champ and that is the only issue I have.
     
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  8. Manning

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    I'm afraid that doesn't quite wash anymore, no longer can he be denied as a top 20 heavyweight. The only question now is,

    is Wlad a top 20 ATG HW

    is Wlad a top 15 ATG HW

    is Wlad a top 10 ATG HW
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    Not just that he's at the true elite stage now with every victory.

    I think most everyone has him top 15-20 and if he's still champ in two years that'll read top 8-15 easily.

    Noone has a leg to stand on disputing his standing as an atg.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 8, 2011
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  10. lufcrazy

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    You don't think wlad should be rated p4p?

    I understand the argument that as heavyweight champ the reality is he is the top boxer today.

    But I think there is merit in comparing his skillset and dominance to fellow champions from the lower weightclasses.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 8, 2011
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  11. Haye

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    The whole concept of P4P as a rule, should mean he is ineligible for the ranking.

    It is all about disregarding the advantages of size and weight - advantages which this guy posesses against almost all his opponents. When one considers that Wlad's dominance is inextricably linked to these intangibles, it becomes difficult in theory to rank him. A lot of purists refuse to rank any HW in p4p rankings for this reason.

    Another problem I have with his ranking to a degree, is his resume. People seem to have simply forgotten that the guy has never beaten a legitimately elite, prime HW. Most fighters in the top 10-15 have at least 1 win against a recognised 'A level' operator.

    Having said all of this, the guys accumulation of belts and dominance does make it difficult to argue that he doesn't belong there.

    IMHO, the guy is not inherently a better fighter p4p than say, Khan. But, he is clearly a top fighter who has achieved more at this stage.

    He does deserve to be ranked as one of the worlds top fighters. But if want to get technical, the P4P ranking is somewhat problematic in his case. P4P is a more complicated system than some people give it credit for.
     
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  12. Haye

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    I'm sorry, but that is complete bull****.

    The entire CONCEPT is based upon eliminating the advantages given by weight/size. Fighters are ranked therefore, based upon their performances in THEIR DIVISION, against guys the same size. More credit is given to smaller fighters who can move up divisions.

    But with HW's, this is not as easy to do.
     
    Haye, Jul 8, 2011
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  13. lufcrazy

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    I think the skill involved in utilising his assets is something that can be underrated.

    As for never beating an a level heavyweight, he's beaten numerous top 3 heavyweights throughout his reign. As well as defeating 4 titleholders. His resume stands up imo.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 8, 2011
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  14. Haye

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    Hmmm, not altogether sure tbh. Unless you consider Haye an 'A Level' operator at HW, think of his best wins.

    Now tell me that any of those fighters ever came close to a P4P top 30-50 ranking? My point is that his best wins are simply not as good as the wins of those other top fighters in the P4P list. I dont think it is debatable.
     
    Haye, Jul 8, 2011
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  15. lufcrazy

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    Factoring in longevity and dominance counts for a lot.

    When a man consistently beats the best opponents in his division he is a proven champion.

    Now is wlad one of the 6 most skilled fighters on this planet? I'm not so sure. But factoring everything in he's definitely one of the 6 best fighters on the planet in a p4p sense.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 8, 2011
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