I am spending alot of time working on throwing the jab while slipping (mostly to my right as an orthodox). My coach sme working one way, but I have heard other coaches suggest different methods. He has me slipping with a bend of the waist and right knee at the same time my jab is extended. So as the shot is traveling forward, my head is moving outisde and down at the same time. I have heard other coaches say to break it down in two seperate movements. To either jab and slip outide as the shot returns, or to slip and then fire the shot from an angle. Should it be broke down into two seperate movements, or is it one? Which is the more standard or fundemental way of using this skill?
here's a way. he leans a little to the left and kind of throws a jab with palm facing up. go to 2:15 [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLPyIur94CE[/ame]
Yeah, Toney is a good example of throwing the jab while slipping at the same time. I'm a shorter middle weight just like he was. He always seems to move his head more with waist movement then with the feet though...
I think both work and are great if you are that type of fighter. Whatever you do, make sure you slip down behind your rear hand, occasionally double up the jab, and generally mix it up. If a guy has a monster fast cross/overhand? You can be put to sleep something serious if you are slow, predictable, or at a reach disadvantage. If he anticipates, slips/steps with you, and throws a vicious hook to the body? He can crunch your rib. The problem with the slipping right is that the normal cover you get from from your shoulder is nullified and you are "out there" for a split second on reflexes alone. If the guy is pressing getting back up straight is tough too. Be sure you have either superior reflexes or enough reach to keep you out of trouble. :good
you're talking about two different things so be asware of each skill's liabilities and the most appropriate. counters can fall into 4 categories with a major factor being rhythm. 1. catch (block) n go - ex. catch their jab and send your jab back 2. parry n go - ex. parry (redirection) their jab and come over top with your right 3. miss n go - ex. slip their jab and throw your jab back (watch out for their right hand. consider coming back with your right INSTEAD of your jab) 4. same time - ex. slip their jab to the right and jab inside their jab at the same time (this is my prefered because you hit them DURING their offense when they are open and most velnerable) obviously there are MULTIPLE options of what to counter back with but i find that everything falls into one of those four categories. and the james toney counter at 2:15 is a "miss n go" with an upjab (or a "spearjab" as James Toney's old trainer would call it. in detroit, an upjab is a jab thrown from the waist almost like an upper back hand, which JT throws a lot).
BoxScience- Yeah, it's #4 that I have been working on and that I prefer. Some of the guys I fight, its common that we jab at the same time or close to the same time and each score. I am trying to score and no be there for the return shot. And its mostly the jab is the shot Im trying to avoid. I do ok blocking or moving from counter rights. My coach HATES to see both guys jab and both guys get their heads snapped back. He hates it.
I've found that a shift of weight to the back foot will bring your head off that centre line. try it. make sure your weight is distributed evenly, NOT on the back foot to begin with. if your stance is right, a push fron the front leg and a bend with the rear (moving weight back) is the right way to do this mate.