How would a prime Wanderlei Silva do against jon jones of today?

And you have nothing at all to base that on. And before Wandy starts throwing soccer kicks, he needs to find a way to put Jon Jones on his ass while he himself remains standing. What's his plan for putting him there? How does Wandy's style allow him to do that? You think Wandy can just snap his fingers and Jones will drop to the canvas? atsch

:hat

 

You're damn right they are.

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There's a good reason why that worthless piece of pond scum is on my ignore list. Do yourself a favour and don't feed the troll. Eventually he'll take his knuckle dragging down syndrome ass back to Sherdog.

 

guess that's where the whole pride/ufc thing really comes into play


i just rewatched that, and while i agree, tito had total control....he didn't do **** with it


LnP extreme


(tito actually did more damage on his feet than on the ground)

 

Can't say yet. His career is still young and we havn't seen him in the deep waters yet. What will his reaction be?

 

Best comment on the thread so far. :deal

 

the point is prime wandy didn't have the skill set to put jones in deep waters.

 

This is a rather simplistic arguement which I dont totally understand

Jones has had a relatively short career, but one thing you can say for certain is that he can probably take anyone at LHW down at some point. As has been pointed out, Wandy does not really have the best TDD, Tito, Rampage and Yoshida all had Wandy on the matt for extended periods, where he acquitted himself well.But I think Rampage is the most relevant example as to how a fight with JJ would go on the matt

He was fortunate to get the stand up against Quinton imo as Page was active and landing shots, but Wandy did a good job of tying him up in guard and with hand control, minimalism the damage he took and stopping him from posturing up to gain leverage on his shots, for the most part.

Could he do this to Jones? Under PRIDE rules JJ couldnt pin him to the matt and use elbows to give the illusion of being active without sacrificing top control to posture up ala Tito, so this fight is not relevant apart from the TD's. But Jones would have to work on posturing up, because as the Yoshida fight demonstrates Wandy has great sub def and offence

So the question is, could Jones stay active enough to stop the stand up, posture up and land punches? I dont know, but I suspect he can, and if he did, with his height, the amount of leverage he could get on those punches would be insane and leave the issue of no elbows a relatively moot point

 

Jones is an absolute stylistic nightmare for Wandy, I'm really not sure what people don't get about this. The deep waters comment is fair enough but Wandy has never had the skillset to put him in deep waters. Silva just has nothing for him, just as Shogun didn't.

 

You Jones fans a brilliant.

3 steps to posting about Jon Jones

Praise- Never been a athlete like him, no one can stop his take downs ect

Dismiss - Anyone as being unable to compete with said attributes during the praise part

Repeat - In every post. with ''Elbows, takedown, end of fight'' being my personal fav

Give us a break guys and try to add some original analysis for once :roll:

 

People dont get alot in this forum. Heck if you tell them Edgar would take Aldo down at will theyd get mad.

I remember telling these guys that Shogun would get taken down by Jones and would do alot of turtling looking for the leg and hed get demolished doing that. And people were responding "a 19 year old version of Rua would kill Jones!!" like it had something to do with my point.

I was merely objectively stating that Rua BJJ consist of rolling and turtling and look for the leg. Thats what he does and its on film. And I even didnt mention the fact that Rua had no single advantage over Jones which I thought was obvious.

 

Thats not what people are saying at all. Styles makes fights theres nothing emotional about it. If Prime Crocop had the wrestling ability of Couture, he would beat Jones. But Wandy is not that type of a fighter, hes a brawler.

Same thing with Silva vs. Sonnen, I knew it would be a long night for Anderson and it was no mystery, styles makes fights. The "Michael Jordan" of BJJ Travis Lutter was taking Silva down with one hand, **** I would expect more from a World class wrestler in Sonnen.

 

Stoo it has nothing to do with fanboyism. Shogun is my absolute favourite fighter of all time. No version of him beats Jones because he has nothing to trouble him. Someone like Phil Davis is a tougher match up because he might be able to press him and take him down and is extremely strong.

To beat Jones you need a combination of attributes neither Rua or Wandy have. Strength and good takedown defense being the primary ones.



I'd give prime Chuck a far better chance than Wandy because his TDD is great and his timing would potentially knock Jones on his ass if he got frustrated and starting getting wild.

 

Im more than happy to read stuff in praise of Jones, and yes, Ive said myself he's a stylistic nightmare for Wanderlei

Just repeating the same thing over and over is not analysis of anything

 

Myself and chimba are giving logical arguments and have presented viable ways of beating Jones and explained why Shogun and Wandy don't meet those, in all fairness.