Whats the blueprint to beat these boxers?

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Okay, so I was thinking about this at work. I was sat there, swinging around on my chair with a pondering look on my face and a Tuna Sandwich, thinking about this.

    What I want to know is... what is your gameplan is to beat them. Now this differs slightly from 'what style/fighter do you pick against them', because that inevitably ends up with people creating invincible fighters that can do everything and have no weaknesses. i.e. Edwin Valero. I want to know what you think a fighter has to do to beat them.



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  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Ward. Take away the jab.
    Donaire. Deny him time/ space.

    Both easier said than done which is why they are top of their divisions.
     
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  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    As s&c would say, put some clothes on your argument?

    How do you take away Ward's jab specifically, and why do you believe its absolutely critical for Ward that he's jabbing?

    I'm assuming you consider pressure to be the most effective way to beat Donaire?
     
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  4. GlassJawAnalyst

    GlassJawAnalyst Active Member Full Member

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    Ward. Take him away from home.
     
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  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Gimme a break! Its 1am mate!!!

    Donaire. Its pressure, high tempo pessure.

    Ward. Is tricky because he fights well on the inside as well. Maybe try and force him to lead, counter the jab from the outside. Make him reset. Repeat and rinse.
     
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  6. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Circle away from Ward's left hand, it's his stronger one, you've got to avoid it in some way, take the steam out of it. His right hand isn't particularly effective I don't think, and he relies on the left to impose himself on his opponents, it has to be neutralised in some capacity if you're to have success against him. Even when he switches southpaw, the jab is neglected, and he throws lead left hands for the most part. He's also pretty prone to uppercuts, but I think getting you're own offence going should be second behind shutting his down to whatever small extent.

    Donaire, I'm stumped. I didn't pick him to win, but I really thought if anyone could, Montiel could, due to the fact he's so adept at setting traps. But that obviously went tits up. He's not getting touched by anyone for the forseeable future IMO.
     
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  7. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Although I see where you're coming from with Ward because nobody has really tried it, the issue I see with trying to take his jab away is you're going to create a stalemate situation where you're very open to being outpotshotted due his speed and reflexes. Could be a good way to lose at a whimper.

    Pressurizing Donaire, man I'm glad I'm not the one thats got that task. My god are you going to have to come through some leather down at bantam to acheive that. I do agree though essentially, I think Joseph Agbeko would give him the most trouble of anyone out there, but thats relative because I hardly see anyone causing him much grief.

    This was my idea, I was really scratching my head wondering how to exploit these guys realistically without creating a superhuman fighter.
     
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  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    If the blueprint was easy.....;O)
     
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  9. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    How do you pressure Donaire though? I mean, how do you go about it? If you try to come in low, you're going to get a Sydorenko-face from getting pasted with uppercuts, plus he'll slot in some left hooks to the body before just peeling away. If you come in with a more straight up, stiff aproach the same fate Montiel suffered will become reality again. I don't see anybody being able to defeat Donaire from constant pressuring, unless they had some kind of superhuman qualities, which I doubt any bantam/super-bantam possesses.
     
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  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    So lets hear a Blueprint Plan B for Donaire....;O)
     
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  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I can't think of one, that's my point. How does anyone around him beat him? I can't see it.
     
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  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I'm not sure we've seen Donaire under high quality pressure. Montiel never really got going and was taking a fairly cautious approach himself. It would be interesting if he fought Agbeko. Great chin, moves his head, can fight inside, throws a lot of punches. Wouldn't back him to win by any means but it would be interesting. The problem is you have to come through too much at super bantam due to his range, speed and explosiveness. At these weights he's an irresistible force pretty much.
     
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  13. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Neither can I but that would have made for a **** thread after TFFP went to the trouble of posting pictures.;)

    Its a "best guess" rather than "this is a cert to work".
     
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  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Plan C for Donaire? ;)
     
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  15. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Make Donaire lead, keep him turning and take advantage of his tendency to neglect the jab and combos for perfect single counter openings, with a solid tight defence and busier offence.Take your time, be patient and minimalist if needed.

    I don't really think high tempo aggression is the way, especially if the fighter taking a lof chances to get punches in or lacking big power.
     
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