Pavlik just pulled out of fight

You're compounding two separate and unrelated genetic traits into one made-up condition. Those traits are 1) an addictive personality (which is also influenced by environmental factors), and 2) alcohol intolerance, which is actually nothing specific to alcohol at all but an enzyme deficiency resulting in slower metabolism of alcohol and countless other chemicals. There is nothing special about alcohol that we should consider it a disease somehow out of the user's control no more than there is something about cocaine that makes addiction to it a disease. There's no alcoholism, and there's no cocainealism. There are addictive personalities, enzyme deficiencies, and, foremost, weak individuals.

Note that most alcoholics do NOT have an enzyme deficiency, though this deficiency is why, among other things like abject poverty and no upward social mobility, Native Americans tend to become alcoholics at a higher rate than other Americans.

I will consider alcoholism a disease and alcoholics the helpless sufferers of said disease when we have similar responsibility-lifting terms for people who smoke crack, shoot heroin, binge on french fries, or huff paint.

"Feel sorry for me, I'm a paintaholic. It's the disease!"

 

it's just a damn shame

 

Should we have cool, socially acceptable names for people who suffer from other GABA drug-related "diseases"? Xanaxaholics? Diazepamoholics? Gammahydroxybutyrateoholics?

 

FYI, interesting article saying Interbox offered more to Pavlik then Kessler to fight Bute.

Here's the link : http://www.ckac.com/combats/nouvelles/nous-avons-offert-plus-d-argent-a-pavlik-jean-89628.html

 

Merci

 

No, addict is fine. alcoholic is an old school term and new school science just proves what the founder of AA (A medical doctor) said: "It's a corruption of the mind, body and spirit." Well, if you read what I wrote, it does affect the mind which affects the body and spirit (if you have it). So not much is changed...just more Splained.

but I do like how you actually used other GABA based drugs as there are only two drugs that will kill potentially on withdrawal; alcohol and benzos (klonopin, Xanax Valium, etc).

Or you could have been more sarcastic and gone for the Serotonin receptor drugs like MDMA and they could be MDMAddicts. Or dopamine receptor sites and spoken of cocaine and nicotine. Or opiates on Opioid receptor sites.

Or you could just not put "quotes" for "disease' and respect that addiction affects millions of people and if you think you are "above that" or "its a moral character flaw" I suggest you re-read my AddictSHUN 101 for Nubs and be happy you learnt Somf today.

I can almost guarantee there is someone in your family Hx that probably had ill effects of either abusing a substance (not an addict) but maybe a dickhead freaking father or grandfather or uncle who beat the crap out of their family etc or maybe someone who died from "the disease. "

One can become addicted to ANYTHING. Let's take chapstick. If one puts it on every freaking day, then the brain signals to stop producing moisture on the lips. If you take steroids long term, your nuts shrink because the brain tells the nuts to stop producing testosterone. Therefore, when you stop taking chapstick....YO LIPS BE CHAPPED.

Nub again speaks only the truth. You mad?

 

I chose other GABA drugs in case you felt there was something particularly special about GABA-based drugs. It's good that you extend your umbrella to ALL addictions, however wrong you may be to consider any self-inflicted addiction a disease. Too many people consider "alcoholism" special as it has its own name.

I do have a grandfather who drunk himself to death at the age of ~37 years old (long before I was born), and I have experienced every drug most people have heard of, so I have a pretty good first-hand understanding of addiction. I've even felt a slight twinge of an addictive pull after using meth, heroin, and to a lesser degree, GHB before. I had the strength and will not to let any of it disrupt my daily schedule, harm my finances, or otherwise negatively impact my life, however. I never disempowered myself, as is the AA way, by partially disowning my personal responsibility in the matter and feeling helpless and sorry for myself. I simply moved on.

I actually know a lot more regarding neurochemistry, addiction, and the effects of drugs than you likely do, so I'm qualified to skip Nub's Addiction 101. Your information comes from a cult, after all, and just like I don't respect Christ cults, I don't respect the cult of Bill W., either. Thanks anyway.

You're home awfully early for a meeting night...

 

You guys are sure interesting.

Answer Nub?

 

Get the hell out of here with that bull****. I just saw my grandfather wither away and die from pancreatic cancer. To say "alcoholism" is a disease just like cancer is ridiculous. You can chose to stop being an alcoholic, you can't chose to stop having cancer. Overcoming an addiction to alcohol is very tough, but in no way is it a disease. If that's the case, then drug addicts and serial killers have a disease as well.

 

Alrigh homey. My sister died of addiction at 25. You weren't addicted. You maybe just abused a lot of drugs. There is a difference between abuse and dependency.

I am not an addict. I am however a top addiction counsellor trained in cognitive behavioural therapy. I don't believe AA is the answer. However it isn't as disempowering as people say. However it is a TOOL that one can use. However it should be used in conjunction with other "medicines" like CBT therapy, meetings (if they work), medicine to get the chemicals back to a normal state, etc. It is a combination of methods that work.

I feel for your situation, and personally maybe I misread your internet sarcasm. I am a sarcastic ***** but know my **** and the written word on the interwebs can easily be misinterpreted.

But my past has fueled my hunger for life. I have been sent to the hospital by Jonathon Banks, Sparred with Cunningham and got some Kronk life experience to go with my masters degree and international certifications in addiction and concurrent disorder treatment.

I hear you brother. Peace.

 

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Though sarcastic, what I wrote earlier is complete truth and accepted in the medical community. It is time for addiction to not be stigmitized as the same with mental health. It is a "chronic and relapsing disease of the brain." Once you pass the point into addiction the brain craves the drug more than basic human needs. Alcohol consumption and drug consumpton are VERY NEW to evolution and society when looked through the spectrum of human evolution. You couldn't get drunk 8000 years ago and therefore the body has not evolved for it yet (same with other drugs). Therefore when people get hungry...they steal to eat. They HAVE TO OR THEY WILL DIE. A drug addict's brain is signaling "FEED ME" more powerfully than the hungriest of people because drugs and alcohol are much more rewarding than food, water and sex. So the brain misinterprets drugs as being "needed for survival" since it trumps food, water and sex. If you don't understand that, then you really won't ever understand the depths of addiction.

The ONLY time a person is "responsible" for their disease is if they DON'T do anything after getting treatment. They then KNOW what to do...but they just don't accept their "Chemo." Just like MANY cancer patients would rather die than go through the treatment to put the disease in remission.

You can't "Tell your brain" to change when very powerful chemicals has altered it's new balanced state. Just the same as you can't "Will" or "Tell" your body to "start producing more insulin."

It's a disease son......real talk.

 

We do.
They're called;
Doctors, Nurse, Lawyers, Judges, Politicians, School teachers, Scientists, Engineers, Jews, Gentiles, Promoters, etc. ect. etc....:yep

 

^^^^^^^

QFT Mang. No doubt.

 

A tool... Disempowerment, or the disowning of guilt/fault through belief that addiction is a disease like cancer, HBP, diabetes, etc. is a tool itself, isn't it? Something the (I still contend self-afflicted) "victim" can believe and use to deal with their own problem, but not something the rational observer has to believe.

Anyway, no situation here, man, just a strong belief that addiction is not a disease as it is something one only arrives at through the voluntary, habitual use of drugs. No offense taken at all, and I myself can be a dick when arguing (if I've failed to be one tonight, my apologies ). I have experienced chemical addiction, however, albeit devoid of serious psychological addiction. I had four months off after college before I was to start on a contract, and stocked up on morphine sulfate with the intention of stretching my use out three months and experiencing withdrawals for the first time, so I've experienced the chemical side of it, as well. When I ran out, I quit cold turkey (you need not remind me this can't be done with benzos or alcohol without fear of seizures and possibly death) and rode it out, and am grateful for the experience. It confirmed to me that I don't seem to have an addictive personality, and I fully acknowledge that if I did, my life would have been quite troubled. However, it would have been entirely my fault if I let it get the best of me.