The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

let's compare opposition at 147

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mitchell
judah
baldomir
hatton
marquez
mosley

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quintana
urkal
judah
mosley
gomez
margarito
jennings
clottey
pacquiao

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delahoya
cotto
clottey
margarito
mosley


cotto and pacquiao had stayed shorter at the weight and has fought more threats than floyd did.


no you can't poke me with your long and pointy object coz you have none, that's why you are so much interested in them Leon.

 

Let's look at the great Cotto's resume @ 154

The legendary Yuri Foreman
Inactive Mayorga who was trying to retire into MMA
antonio I got beat up bad twice margaritoe

Cotto, like emmanuel, doesn't even have the decency and honor among prizefighters to fight them at a point in time when their stocks are rising.

Why not? I'll let you do it the pinoy way and file a lawsuit after I poke your eye with my long and pointy object.

 

i can actually agree on this but the volume of opponnents plus cotto still being green at this weight. malignaggi and torres (both undefeated at the time) are good names to have in these weight.

 

Cotto has long established himself as someone who would fight anyone and everyone. You laugh at his win against Yuri Foreman but didn't Cotto fight Foreman at a point when his stock was rising? Major double standard.

 

Cotto made sure to avoid Tszyu, Hatton, and Floyd @ 140. He hasn't fought anyone with a pulse at 154. I can understand the Foreman, he was coming off the biggest loss of his career. Isn't he planning on fighitng the great Julio Cesar Chavez Jr next after margaritoe?

Was Cotto down to fight most guys back @ 147? Yep. Is he @ 154? No

 

Pac only has Cotto...Margo was 151....the rest were pure trash

Cotto has a leg up on Floyd at WW....Pac does not

 

Yeah I do give Cotto a pass there because of his experience and he does have some decent wins there, but I don't like it when people try to praise Cotto for what he did at 140 and then bring down Floyd. :rasta

 

cotto fought mosley when welter was waxing hot at the time while floyd picked-up the scraps in mosley after those wars and a period of inactivity. floyd at the time is fighting a part-time promoter in oscar and hatton who struggled at welter. cotto fought pacquiao who was on his absolute prime back in 2009. cotto also fought margarito who floyd also avoided back then for baldomir. so who took the better risk again at welter?

Leon, i know you do like the subject a LOT but can you please stop talking about d _ _ _ s? :nono

 

Manny, and I didn't even have to think about it. Manny of the Solis fight, say, is just a different fighter completely than his last few. Floyd always fights like Floyd. You could make an animated tiger who moves like Floyd and you'd immediately know it's Floyd. That said, Floyd's style is nearly impossible to impregnate. Papa Floyd put a ton of thought into developing that style because there are so few guys who can be successful against it. Head to head, I think Floyd wins, but I do think Manny is able to change his gameplan better midfight. I can't remember Floyd ever doing it, and I've seen Manny do it several times. I'm actually quite surprised that Floyd is leading by so much.

 

yeah floyd did not stayed long enough at 140. i'm just trying to have a good chat/debate with Leon minus the "wiener" thing.

 

Mosley made Cotto run for his life in order to squeeze out a win.

Floyd dominated Mosley when Shane was the top welter.

Part-time promoter Oscar is greater than anyone Cotto ever beat, this includes Miguel's entire 154 resume.

emmanuel didn't fight margaritoe @ welter like you listed, you ignorant banana. 150 is a separate weight class exclusive to bouts with filipinos.

Sure, we can stop talking about it after you get poked in the eye for saying dumb things.

 

explain that to me and then I bet I can give me a fight where he didn't fight like the way you described

 

Sure there is kid. Versatility has many different layers depending on the topic of discussion. Boxing has both Defensive and offensive elements that you have to take into consideration...if you choose not to, then it's your own credibility that will take a hit. If you are simply an offensive fighter with NO defensive then of course you are less versatile than the fighter who has both.. but guys like PAC and Floyd where their ONE strongest point is so dynamic that they are considered versatile based on that one strength.

But there is absolutley more offenseively or defensivley dynamic fighters out there and it's easy to distinguish who is more versatile when analyzing their ability and skills.

 

im quite surprised by this whole post actualy...but hey its your opinion.

 

Again, I see it as verstilty defensively vs offensively. With Shane you can't really gauge PAC vs FLoyd b/c of how different SHANE fought between the two. He gave Floyd opportunities where he ran from PAC. Therefore you can't use how Floyd adjusted to Shane simply b/c Shane FOUGHT Floyd where he went into survival mode with Manny.

In my honest opinion PAC is just as versatile as Floyd and even more so in the offensive realm. Floyd of course is a defensive master based on the balance of his skill and athletic ability.