Demetrius Andrade: Another fighter ruined by the Amateur system

From watching his other fights I can just imagine what it looked like.

The worst thing about the amateur style is the lack of timing. These guys are for the most part fast, but they cant hit the broad side of a barn.


As to why I never liked Berto. Whats the use of handspeed if you cant hit the other guy?

 

Moron , keeping his hands down is a bad habit that Gamboa have ever since putting his first gloves on , I have lost count of how many times those Cuban coaches screamed at him to keep them up during his bouts ( check Gamboa's Olympic fights on you tube if you can understand Spanish ) . EVERY BIT OF SKILL YOU SEE IN HIM IS PRODUCT OF YEARS OF REFINING HIS CRAFT AND TRAINING . You said that few cubans have made it in the pros and that's a HALF TRUTH , some of them fail due to LACK OF DISCIPLINE not skills . No elite Cuban boxer have failed in the Pro game . Peace .

 

Strictly its not just the hallmark of being a fantastic amateur fighter. Some guys have gold from the World Cup, the Commonwealth Games, the Asia Games, Pan-American games and the like.

For instance, Haye was a silver medallist in the World Championships, that is quite the amateur achievement and then he went onto the win big in the pros. Similar story with Dirrell who won metal at the National Champs and the Olympics, then went onto be one of the biggest names in the 168 division.

You can't really restrict amateur success to the Olympics.

 

He'll be 24 and a double gold medallist after London. His conditioning is excellent, he'l adapt to twelve round fights no problem. As it is now he's barely breathing after his fights despite being an explosive, high volume puncher. He does whatever he wants in the ring, he doesn't get hit and he can hurt his opponents whenever he wants. He has stay busy fights in Ukraine and it honestly looks like he's sleepwalking/going for a stroll in the park then out of nowhere he'll throw a murderous body punch and have his opponent rolling around on the ground. I've watched alot of boxing and I've never seen anything like Lomachenko before.

Amir Khan is a very simple boxer, he's just a faster smaller version of Kessler. Amateur boxing has changed alot since Khan was an amateur, the amateur game was alot closer to what the uneducated people here describe it as nowadays and yet he's still looking pretty dominant in the pros so I don't know why you bring him up.

 

Yep, you're right there. Timing. Broner has none of it. I agree with the Berto comparison too.

You're on good form today MW.

 

Again, watch Lomachenko and tell me that he doesn't have incredible timing.
I always thought Berto was trash as well, from the first time I saw him.

 

Fair enough. But I guarantee if you took just World Level amateurs, guys who won medals at some World Am event.


That at best, it would only equate to half of the Titlists. At best. And very few would have been gold medalists.

 

Lomachenko will take Rios to school if they ever box , that guy is a beast . Peace .

 

Fair enough. We'll see in 5 years time if he is what you say. :good

 

Watch this video and tell me that Lomachenko isn't impeccable with his timing on offense and defence....
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Lets hope so but I am not optimistic.

Having watched about every televised Olympic boxing match since the 1980's I am perplexed how anyone can say only power punches get countedatsch

The only time a punch is counted is when the white part of the glove hits the opponent. You see perfect body punches landed with out any score.

 

That is bull**** to make a statement like that, respect the pro ranks. Amateur is called amateur for a reason

 

The name 'amateur' isn't really appropriate for amateur boxing, it's not like other sports. Any bum can walk in off the streets and turn pro. The top amateurs do get money to fight and they train full time. To do anything at all in the amateurs you have to fight and beat the best, you can't choose your opponents and the guys you're facing fight because they love the sport, not because they're after a couple of peanuts like the majority of pros who don't have the skills or talent to do anything.
I have no respect for any boxer just because they're pro, as I said anybody can turn pro. I've seen amateurs absoutely school decent pros in gyms, pro fighters are just human aswell and deserve no extra respect.
In most other sports to become 'pro' you need some talent and to get chosen, not the case with boxing. So really the names amateur and pro don't really suit boxing at all.

 

I see you're not familiar with MichiganWarrior. I'm a fan of fighters of all races.

Also, horses have dichromatic vision, not monochromatic. Nice try.

 

Amateur is called amateur because ( supossely ) there's no money in it , boxers aren't paid , they are expected to fight for the love of the sport , that's why they get protection through the use of headgears , big gloves , short rounds , etc , ( if you're not getting paid there's no point in getting hurt ) and Professional is called professional because it's a job for the boxer , money is ( and should be ) his main concern , like I said before it's his/her job . There aren't profesionals only in sports ( boxing , baseball , soccer, etc ) , in the normal world there are profesionals too like doctors , teachers , etc and what makes them profesional is not their skills but their salaries . Peace .