No, not even close. I have never seen any fighter get so much credit for beating fighters that he is supposed to beat. On Floyd's record there are only a couple of wins really worth bragging about and where the circumstances are pretty much totally clean: Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales. On the next level below that, you have wins against good opposition, but with certain things that detract from the wins. Those are fights like Oscar, (bigger, HOF fighter, but badly faded) Judah (talented, tough style match-up, but always finds a way to lose and underachieve) and Hatton. (Undefeated, tough guy, but ultimately a limited B-fighter who was mediocre at best at welterweight). Everyone else on his record are either guys that any world class fighter should have beaten (Baldo, old Mitchell, old Mosley, Chavez, etc, these are all guys that anyone at the top is supposed to beat) or are so tainted by circumstances that they're worthless. (Marquez having to come up two weights to fight him). Or, if you want me to go through some of your names in more detail: Biggest accomplishment: being WBU champion and getting smacked down every time he challenged for a real title. Only famous because he beat Gatti on cuts. B-level at very best. Smacked down by everyone close to A level he ever faced, and a few B-level guys. A great action fighter, but old and worn as ****, essentially a glorified gatekeeper. Judah is an underachiever that always finds a way to lose. Getting old and we now know probably on drugs at the time. B-level guy who was no good at welterweight. Had to jump 2 weights to fight Floyd, and Floyd didn't even make the weight. Old as ****, aside from the performance against Margo he'd been looking bad for years and years. Ortiz has accomplished nothing.
I mean Floyd was supposed to beat every fighter he face since he turned pro. When you are better than everybody what should people expect? He has been the best fighter. What fight in his weight classes would he have ever been the underdog?
He doesn't have to be the underdog. How many fights has Floyd been in where people seriously thought the other guy even had a chance? Most of his fights were about how this fight was a test for him one way or another. The number of times Floyd was up against someone at or close to A level where impartial observers thought the fight might be in doubt? You can count them on one hand.
Thats a credit to his skill though. He is just better than everybody else. A lot of the people he faced beat really good fighters. Floyd is the best of this era. And not many people are even close especially in his weight classes. You are trying to fault him for being better than everyone by a wide margin.
a better payday with hatton?? bull****. he took on hatton because he looked like **** against collazo at 147 and was almost ko'd. it was a safer payday with hatton. mexican fighters have the BIGGEST fanfare. margo/pbf would have been huge. i used to appreciate pbf at the lower weights but the more one scrutinizes his fights(other than DLH which was a solid win), his post castillo resume is bull****. do you remember the way he fell on the canvas and started crying after he beat a 140 pound gatti? prime ssm would have simply went on his way and probably would have highlight-reel ko'd gatti. i've been a huge and successful betting boxing fan since the early 80's. pbf is bull****. maybe he is the real deal but his fight resume does not prove it.
other than the fights with castillo and dlh, i just see someone that is avoiding fights. he took time off from the sport so he could let all the REAL fighters beat themselves up(cotto, margo, pw, martinez, cintron) or get old(mosely). even though i dont have a lot of respect for zab, he took on all comers and fought through his size disadvantages. really, pbf is a ****ing fraud. maybe an incredible talent but he didnt fight for legacy and is not HOF material. putting him in the same sentence with duran, srl, hearns and pryor is a joke.
What i meant is PBF doesn't need those 4 fighters on his resume to be a ATG. IMO he would beat those guys anyways. I really want him to go over to England And Beat the **** outta of Khan's punk ass, but I bet he fights Pac and retires!
You can pick apart any fighter's resume. There is no fighter in history that takes on every guy you want him too. It just doesn't happen.
People act like Pac's record is so much better but if Floyd beats Ortiz then Pac he will have the better record between the two of them I think.
The difference between pac and floyd is pac steps up to fight bigger guys and Floyd makes smaller men come up to fight him. Within the division Floyd uses bogus rankings to justify bouts. Pac is more dominating and does it vs tougher opp. The Ortiz bout is a step in the right direction but too little too late.
#2 ricky hatton undefeated beat kosta outwieghed mayweather #3 shane mosley and #1 ww in the world #5 diego undefeated corales Actually man everytime out floyd is in their ranked Pacs last few wernt top 10