Amazing Extensive Dempsey Footage - Pre Carpentier Fight

Thanks for the footage. Great Stuff. I think Dempsey's footwork is his most underrated attribute. His head movement was way ahead of its time. His combination punching was outsanding. Just a great fighter. I do think he made a few errors which would need to be correct if he were fighting in a more modern era with better jabbers and combination punchers...one being low hands. Dempsey needs to higher his gaurd.

 

Say's you.:hi:

 

Kettle... Black?? :huh

 

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Hmmm, why did it take him until he was on the ground to register that his nuts hurt enough to hold them? If anything, though it is hard to tell, from the angle of the punch it looks like it hit the waistband to the left, not the lower center where his nuts be (though I have no intimate knowledge as to the whereabouts of Sharkey's nuts).

Anyway, care to answer this, why does nobody mention that this seemed to happen to Sharkey an awful lot before this fight? In fact, why does nobody mention that numerous people, including the referee claimed that it was not a low blow and that Sharkey wore his shorts higher up to claim low blows?

 

c13, if U watch the fight,Dempsey slow and past his tigerish speed realized that to win he had to slow the younger Sharkey by body blows. He did this for the last few rounds,pounding Sharkey's slats ,and Dempsey though aged had heavy hands. Sharkey was not hit in the "nuts",but some of the blows were "borderline'. He was weakening and the tempermental Sharkey
had to find an excuse ,as he couldn't take those body blows much longer
and we all know the final result.
P.S. At the end of an early round,at the bell Sharkey smacked Dempsey who was walking to his corner with his hands at his side. Dempsey's
response to the way after the bell smack, was ZILCH. Dempsey was from the old school that would rather die than show weakness. He was a man...
:hi:

 

I think you might have misread my post. I agree with you and think that Sharkey used this same excuse before. In the end, Dempsey was just too powerful of a body puncher for him and threw a left hook from hell to end the fight.

 

reverse...racism??:huh

 

I really liked the footage, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Which top 20 HW don't you think would look great against sparring partners like that? Joe Frazier for example would be able to play around in much the same way.

Really nice footwork, though. He moved quickly and fluidently with good balance and whithout crossing his feet. Shows something about his technical prowess.

 

c13,we both are on the same page.:good

 

I've gotta admit, seeing more prime footage raises my H2H estimations of jack considerably.

I think he would be tough for most HW's to deal with. plus he wasn't exactly small was he? great hand and foot speed with clear power. still below louis, ali, liston, tyson and foreman but after that i'm not so sure. holmes, lewis and wlad usually occupy my next spots but I think I might favour jack over them, hard to say.

had he cleaned out his era (which looking at him, he could have done) he'd be my number 3 HW beiond only Louis and Ali. however failing to beat Langford or Johnson on his way up and failing to defend V Wills meant his division was not cleaned out and the problem is, those would likely be his 3 biggest victories. note I;m not saying at all that jack ducked these guys, I'm saying not fighting them hinders his ownership of that era.

As it stands today, all things considered

Louis
Ali
Rocky (need to revise this placing)
Johnson
Holmes
Foreman
Lewis
Tyson
Holyfield
Dempsey

but I completely expect wlad to overtake him and knock him out of the top 10.

H2H speaking I think, need more consideration, but I think I have it

Louis
Ali
Liston
Tyson
Foreman
Dempsey

(notable inclusion that I'd favour frazier over Ali and I'm not convinced how I see Frazier vs Dempsey going).

Early footage like this is great in terms of the man's natural gifts being exhibited.

 

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B, let's be real ! I was not using Dempsey's sparring against his sparring partners,as a criteria of his abilities, not at all, but merely to point out how damn, lean,lithe and fast he was prior to his three-year layoff. Why wouldn't Jack Dempsey have "technical prowess", he had Jack Kearns as his manager and one of the greatest trainers, Teddy Hayes,for advice in his early career.? During his peak he was unbeatable as a champion against anyone of his challengers. Yes, he never hooked up with Harry Wills [though they signed],for a bout, but Dempsey by all accounts would have been a big favorite in that bout,as Jack Sharkey and Paolino Uzcudun
beat Wills later on. No, Dempsey's opponents in general were not on a par with Ali's later on, but he BEAT everyone he fought in his prime,and I truly believe he would rise to the occasion against anybody,as Max Schmeling
who boxed with a prime Dempsey in Germany said in his biography. And so did the great and astute trainer Ray Arcel,testify that Dempsey and my guy Joe Louis,were the two greatest heavyweights he had ever seen in his long
boxing career as a trainer. And who am I to argue with Ray Arcel ? Cheers..

 

The cardinal rule of boxing.

 

I wasn't answering you, so need to defend yourself.

And I think it's a good example of that, and was nice to see. I really like footage like this.