Is Roberto Duran the greatest boxer since Sugar Ray Robinson?

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  1. patrick

    patrick Active Member Full Member

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    Don't have a top 10 as yet but Jimmy Wilde would definetely be in it.

    Ricardo Lopez in top 30
     
  2. ferd cloupes

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    Ray was ****in ace
     
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    ferd cloupes Member Full Member

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    not the most inciteful post post bit i have beeen drinking
     
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    ferd cloupes Member Full Member

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    and it's possible i may drink some more
     
  5. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    personally I can't have Jimmy in the top 10, ( I think I could put him somewhere between 20-29) but it's nice to see a bit of love for him.

    Greatest British fighter ever, greatest Flyweight ever, and the hardest puncher p4p in boxing history (so I keep telling myself anyway)
     
  6. Flea Man

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    :rofl How the **** would Ricardo Lopez be in the top 30? Amazing mid-range sharpshooter and textbook boxer, but little resume to speak of, and dominant champion in a division with no relevance. Didn't step up and take on the big challenges when there was only a few lbs in it. Possibly one of the most overrated fighters of all time when talking about 'greatness'.

    Doesn't make my top 100. Top 30?! I'd rather kill myself.

    Jung Koo Chang>>>>>>>>>>>Ricardo Lopez
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Fitz.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Ray never obliged him. He was always a fighter who was comfortable when in control who would go cagey if thrown off his game, and who'd let his opponent work when he was shook rather than fight back. It usually took him quite a while to implement his adjustments. Once his opponent and blown himself out/Leonard had hurt him, then Ray would come back all guns blazing, his supreme talent, toughness and athleticism shining through again. This is the same in the Kalule, Duran and Hearns fights. Ray was as tough as old boots, but a safety first fighter (certainly not a runner, safety first was a far more subtle stylistic choice in those days, Andre Dirrell would've been DQ'd numerous times ;-))

    Duran got his respect early with a well-timed left hook, and then never gave Ray any breathing space. Ray rode it out for as long as it lasted, but it was too little too late. He gassed a bit late, but 'beat his ass round the ring'? No way. A clear 10-5 victory for Duran IMO.
     
  9. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    I agree with your analysis up top, but not down below. Means I'll need to rewatch the fight which is never a chore.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    2nd round, Duran uncorks a peach. Ray goes into his shell from there on in :good
     
  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Do you consider him British though? Some would call him a New Zealander. He was born in Britain in 1863 and moved to New Zealand in 1872 I think. As a fighter he fought in New Zealand, then in Australia, then the US.

    It's kind of like that lad Farrah(the athletics guy, know **** all about it), he moved to Britain from Somalia when he was 8, has no real connection to Britain aside from living there most of his life but is considered British.

    I really don't know how it works though, just wondering if anyone could shed some light on it.
     
  12. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For those saying not enough depth in Leonard record does he really need the depth? What wins can he really get that make it that more impressive? Hagler earlier yes but at the same time he gets Kudos for not fighting for 4 years and going in with the #2 middle of all time and winning.

    He beats the rest of the fab 4 and Benitez
     
  13. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Are Fitz and Farrah totally opposite cases? If Fitz is British then Mo is Somalian but if Fitz is a New Zealander then Farrah is a Brit....;O)
     
  14. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    That's my point. Their cases are the polar opposite to one another yet both are considered British. Who is/isn't British in this scenario?
     
  15. GazOC

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    I think he had a superb career but he's up against fighters who dominated their divisions for years. Thats where he's lacking the depth IMHO. Quality over quantity every time but preferably both!!