could joe frazier get past.... earnie shavers?

The same happens with Liston. When enough people will talk about a "big ugly bear" and seeing him beat up a 5'11 180lbs Patterson will trigger your mind to consider him a huge guy. But he was "only" 6'0 204-212lbs.

 

Frazier would stop Shavers in about four rounds, but Earnie would have a moment or two of glory before it happened.

 

It would be two round minefield for Joe, Joe was something of a cold starter certainly in the initial round, and he was accessible, Guys like Bonavena, Ramos and Stander gave Joe pause for thought, and when you can hit like Earnie, any smallish Heavy who charges into him does run a risk of getting nailed, ( i dont think Little Bob Stallings actually ran into earnie !? ) But Earnie is probably not going to acheive anything after two rounds, with Joe Smoking, that he couldnt acheive in the first two rounds, Obviously we are taking a Prime Jor Frazier, And Joe of March 8th 71, Bobbed, Weaved and Jinked pretty damn good ! too good for Earnie to zero in on him i suspect, Joe however, will i feel find Earnie with his Left Hook, Allowing for some clinching and inside bullmoosing, i think Joe would find Earnie in the 3rd, once the cracks appear, Earnies not the type to hang around...and Joe's not the type to let him....But Joe has two watch he does not Zig when he should Zag for the initial two rounds... it would be a "Dont blink" Affair

 

Actually i meant to mention Sonny as well.

 

George and Liston are the type of athletes that when in shape look like they are made out of steel and you can't hurt them.

One day I went to a Foreman book signing in Dallas and I saw Foreman walking up the street....but it wasn't George....it was his son...he was even bigger.

When I finally shook hands with the real Big George, my hand disappeared inside his handshake like he was shaking hands with
a toy doll.

 

:thumbsup yup

 

frazier beats shavers,may have to get off the floor to do it however

 

to me liston was a "huge" guy. the biggest advantage of being a big guy imo - is reach and strength. liston had both.

 

Joe was tough to keep down, while Earnie may drop him, Im not sure he could keep him down without Joe landing big on him. Shavers wasnt as durable as Joe and because he knew this would be cautious and let Joe off the hook if he did get him in trouble, Frazier wouldnt make that mistake.
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Ron Lyle could be an interesting proposition for Joe though

 

Foreman and Liston definitely performed above their weight, totally agree. Jeff Fenech like, he used to throw guys around like rag dolls (even when moving up vs quality fighters) yet weighed similar.

 

Yep, that's about right.

The Acorn gets planted in 4.

 

I THINK FRAZIER WOULD HAVE ANY EASY DAY WITH SHAVERS:smoke:smoke

 

Shavers was knocked out by Bob Stallings (who Frazier tore to shreds), blown out in one round by Quarry (who Frazier dismantled twice) and decked for a nine-count against 21-24 Bob Stallings. Frazier had a much better chin than Shavers.

Again, he was decked for a nine-count and soundly beaten by Stallings in his prime and was brutalized by multiple Frazier victims. Shavers is not in Frazier's league in terms of any of these attributes.

A. How would this help Shavers' case, since he lost to most of those punchers and accomplished much less in his more total bouts?
B. It was much worse than Frazier's in the sense of containing a consistent high standard of opposition, and his career on the whole was leagues worse in terms of consistently beating high-standard opposition. Going by a quick run through his boxrec record, less than half of Shavers' career wins were against opponents with winning records. Frazier had a dozen plus wins over top 10 opponents in 37 professional fights; Shavers had three in 89!

Shavers' advantages: raw punching power, faster starter. Frazier's advantages: offensive skill, defensive skill, stamina, workrate, durability, the works. Punchers tend to beat swarmers when the punchers have physical advantages over the swarmers. When they're two guys of approximately the same size and build, but one of them is much better in nearly every aspect of the game, then the swarmer is overwhelmingly likely to win.