Reasons I think Mayweather vs Ortiz was fixed..

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  1. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First time I watched I thought it was possible, second time I watched it I thought it was very probable.
    1. Even though Ortiz is apparently mentally weak, he showed no signs before the fight, and seemed perfect confidence. Even letting Mayweather choke him at the weight in, seemingly unafraid, but had no intentions of having to throw a punch.
    2. Again, at the fight no imtimidation, etc.
    3. I know Mayweather is more skilled than Berto, but let's be serious... Berto hits HARDER! Mayweather was catching Ortiz with shots that had no effect on Ortiz, but yet Ortiz didn't fight half as hard against Mayweather than he did Berto. Berto knocks Ortiz down twice, and Ortiz acted like you were going to have to kill him to be denied. Ortiz was backing up constantly from Floyd, and when he wanted to fight he easily manhandled him in to the ropes, and grinded him.
    4. Why did he throw that big headbutt? You can clearly see Ortiz landing 2 punches while knocking Floyd in to the ropes, and lands another 2 while Floyd's against the ropes. Ortiz was getting to him with punches (espeically in that instant), and didn't need headbutts.
    5. BLATANT headbutt!... Doesn't come any clearer than that
    6. Cortez mishap, and all this crap happens
    7. Ortiz when he goes in to hug the second time says a word to Floyd (could be sorry or something), but it looked like the trigger. Once he says it, he backs out with his hands down, Floyd immediately takes a crack at him, and Ortiz LITERALLY stands there, looking away as if to say *I'm ready...DO IT!* Any fighter would react by covering up, moving, something, but Ortiz stood literally like a tree and TOOK IT
    8. Of course the interview afterwards, all the hugging, smiling, etc.


    This would be very easy to stage IMO. You only got 3 people in that ring and Cortez damn sure aint above it.
    Ortiz fights decently hard (not Berto hard), but hard enough to make it look legit. Floyd does what he does. Ortiz throws his headbutt (not enough to knock Floyd out), but make sure he gets some contact. Cortez steps in, acts a bit out of place, and the let the fighters go ahead and stage there big moment. Ortiz says the trigger word, and stands like a tree that's taking a 2.5 million dollar punch. The punches were real, and Victor took it like a champ.

    I use to see Ortiz vs Mayweather all the time when I was younger. I was just watching WWE, and WCW with 2 big roided guys as opposed to Mayweather or Ortiz in there.
     
  2. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    thank you Captain Obvious.
     
  3. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Really? Standing there completely relaxed while someone tries to decapitate you with a punch? If Ortiz agreed to that, he's even dumber than he looks.
     
  4. tofu2009

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  5. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why does he need to fix a fight against a guy he was a massive favourite vs?

    1. Past form for it.
    3. Dear me. Comparing a punch in a fight to one he wasn't expecting to receive when he didn't think he should be fighting.
    4. Why does anyone through a headbutt? Frustration, anger. He wasn't getting to him, watch the fight.
    6. Ortiz mishap. He said fight on.
    7. Yeah, could be sorry.
     
  6. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More so than the actual fight you just have the look at the attitudes, and mentallities. Ortiz who is seemingly isn't afraid in the least by Mayweather, who is willing to fight dirty and use headbutts..Goes from that mentality to a 12 year old school girl when he gets taken a point away. Unless your bypolar you don't act like that.
    If your willing to fight dirty in that fight, if your willing to be disqualified to win, etc you don't kiss the guy after you headbutt him, hug him 8 times, and say sorry 50 times. NO, they take a point away and you go out and try to murder him again.
    Floyd, who should be mad to begin with wasn't at first after he receives a headbutt...He's kind of like WTF? Then hugs Ortiz, then gets mad, takes a cheap shot (ortiz seemed ready for the right hand, and looks away), and then gets up...Floyd is no longer mad, Ortiz is no longer mad.
    Either they really know how to turn off those emotions...Which I don't beleive is possible or it was mostly an act?? Who gets headbutted by somebody and are friends 45 seconds later. Who gets cheap shotted by somebody, and 30 seconds later you'd think they were brothers. Even the corners weren't outraged..
     
  7. bballchump11

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  8. kylmac85

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    9. you're ******ed
     
  9. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I DO think it was one of the strangest rounds I've seen in a long time, so I'm not surprised that people are speculating about a fix.

    I think it was probably genuine, though. You're missing one important factor -- Ortiz's unstable mentality. He couldn't handle the pressure in the Maidana match and broke down...then, because of all the backlash with the media and boxing community who completely wrote him off as a heartless quitter, he must have developed even more issues. (Notice how he looks far more upset at Kellerman than Floyd in the face-off.) He fought through fire in the Berto match, but that didn't guarantee he would fight in the same way against Floyd. He's one of those unpredictable, hot or cold types like Judah, and I can only assume that he threw that headbutt because he didn't want that fight to continue. (It's the only explanation for why it was so ridiculously blatant.)

    He DID hit Floyd with some good shots (I counted four decent ones just before the headbutt) but he was also being pressured just prior to that with combinations. The fact that he was kissing and hugging Floyd afterwards, and then didn't bother to defend himself after that left-hook (he just looks at Cortez, his arms down) makes it seem like he didn't want to fight anymore. He wanted to get out of there, one way or another. It reminds me a little of Floyd Patterson's account of his matches against Liston, where he apparently froze and just didn't seem to have the necessary self-belief, even though he had the physical tools to do so much more.
     
  10. pahapoisu

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    I thought Pacquiao Margarito was fixed because no ones eye gets busted up like that.
    :lol:
     
  11. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never said Floyd *needed* it to be fixed. I said I thought it was. Floyd would have won anyway IMO, but to not being able to think of reasons as to why it would be bad for boxing for Ortiz to beat Mayweather would be crazy...
    The fact that most of Floyd's viewers are ones that want to see him lose. If he loses there's no desire to see Pac vs Mayweather (even if Mayweather would win the rematch with Ortiz), and of course this is the biggest fight to be made.
    So, I think this fight definitely turned out to be best possible case scenario, and if this happened by coincidence would seem crazy to me. Ortiz keeps face because he was cheap shotted, but doing a pretty decent job. Mayweather keeps his villian role, and undefeated streak still intact for one of the biggest PPVs ever...Mayweather/ Pac
     
  12. TonyD407

    TonyD407 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    cool story

    but .... NO
     
  13. flyboi

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    lol.. funny
     
  14. yOyOyO_26

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    You can see Ortiz missed completely with 2 punches before the headbutt, and when they were huggin mayweather looked like he was ready to start punchin str8 away but Ortiz hugged him
     
  15. Jingo

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    oh more conspiracy theories

    Most of this can be answered with the same answers any of these theories can

    1 - if it was a fix, then he'd know to look scared at the weigh in, sowing the seeds for his later breakdown and quit.

    2 - Same with the fight

    3 - we don't know who hits harder. Sure Berto probably has more single punch ko power, but does he throw consistant accurate hard punches? who knows. People used to say joe "calslappy" would get walked down becuase he just slaps, yet it never happened.

    4 - If it was a fix, then either the headbut is part of the fix and they'd just DQ him for it (or get him to throw lots, easy DQ), or he'd make sure he didn't do anything suspicious like headbut, so there's no reason to suspect. Who would ever fix a fight with this kind of ending that's clearly going to make floyd look bad in many people's eyes? It make no sense.

    5 - You're repeating your points, again, if you've been told to fix, you don't throw blatent headbutts unless the plan is to get DQ'd.

    6 - cortez not looking had no relevent, if he'd have looked he'd have still given the KO, it was legal (but trashy).

    7 - why would he give an audible cue in full view of the cameras? This is a pre-planned fix right? It's obvious what the plan is, there'd be no need for a cue. Also, the winning fighter is almost never in on a fix, the loser is the guy paid to lose, the winner never knows.

    8 - People react differently, shrug, Lewis was laughing and smiling after rahman KO'd him, was that a fix?

    So no, not a fix, clearly.