The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. caneman

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    This is for those who say giving blood for tests does not affect athletic performance.

    Blood tests for drug use involve collecting about 10-20 cc of blood (1-2 vials). 4 of these drug tests will equal 50-100 cc, or about 10% - 20% of a pint of blood given in donations (450cc).


    1. How do periodic reductions in hemoglobin affect an athlete's ability to train?

    From: Inside Triathlon
    Blood is a complicated tissue with many different roles. When you donate blood, you give up a pint of fluid containing mostly water along with various proteins and cells in solution. During high-intensity endurance activities however, it is hemoglobin, found within our red blood cells, that is most important.

    Hemoglobin delivers oxygen to our tissues, and when we exercise our muscles require increased amounts of oxygen. If we lack sufficient hemoglobin, anaerobic, or without oxygen, metabolism will ensue (producing lactic acid) at even seemingly moderate levels of intensity.

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    , (which is why you may not donate more often than every two months). What then are the lasting effects of this red blood cell loss?


    Assuming that your cardiac output (the amount of blood pumped by the heart) remains constant, a drop in hemoglobin concentration associated with donating blood will reduce your oxygen delivery to working muscles by 10 percent. Still, when you are at rest, or even during moderate levels of exercise, oxygen delivery, even at this decreased capacity, far outpaces demand.

    However, once you reach a heart rate that is around 5 to 10 percent below your usual anaerobic threshold, your body's demand for oxygen will outpace its supply. For example, if your metabolism typically becomes anaerobic at a heart rate of 170, then after donating blood you will become anaerobic at a heart rate of between 157 and 164 beats per minute. This value will fluctuate because your hemoglobin level will be rising slowly each day, thus the most significant effect will be felt in the first few days after donating.

    2. Donating Blood - What Active People Need to Know

    He notes that many variables make it difficult to predict how much or how long donating a pint of blood will affect athletic performance. However, he notes that recovery after blood donation is fairly fast. Eichner writes: "In my anecdotal experience,
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    10% of 4 weeks is roughly 3 days, the same amount of time Pac complains about not feeling well in training after giving blood for testing hepatitis. :deal
     
  2. kallsop

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    I suspect it is all about pride and not reacting to Mayweather's demands. Pacman only needs to do what e.g. the WBC requires, and not a jot more. There are people and athletes that are afraid of needles (Nick Faldo the golfer for one) and anyway Arum says that the testing has not been an issue for the last 18 months, so who knows. Stooge Ellerbe was sent out to lie about there being no negotiations earlier this summer, contradicting DLH and Arum and others. Oops, busted. Pacman isn't chasing the fight aggressively, he isn't consumed by the fight, and Mayweather is making enough money on easy pickings to keep the IRS at arms length and he isn't chasing the fight either.

    Bottom line - the power brokers in the sport are not the WBA, WBC, IBF etc., but are the promoters and fighters. If they don't want to fight a particular opponent, they won't.
     
  3. Reilence

    Reilence Grepolis Mania Full Member

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    He is already satisfied being the #2.:cool:
     
  4. Jax

    Jax New Member Full Member

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    Neither of them are that bothered about fighting each other, that is the bottom line.

    Pac knows that PBF is the better boxer, and 7 times out of ten would beat him.

    PBF thinks Pac has that ability to take his 0 so is reluctant, and has it in has mind that Pac is juiced up.

    If one of them was desperate for this fight to happen it would happen.
     
  5. Boxing Fanatic

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    pac hasnt agreed to shite really. konz came out last time and said they still have a problem with 14 days when they said previously that testing wasnt an issue any more.
     
  6. box247

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    I can't remembe any good reasons. But the fact is Floyd isn't the commission and can't dictate rules to another top fighter. Both these guys are use to having negotiations their way but this time someone will have to backdown.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To me, that's the KEY question, A. Why's Floyd get to change the landscape because he wants to? Never had a problem with it before. Is he hearin' footsteps?

    Why's Pac gotta bend over because Floyd says so? Why lose a single battle before the first shot's fired.
     
  8. LeadLeftHook

    LeadLeftHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny is fighting old men or recently defeated fighters.

    Mayweather wants a level playing field and if Pacquiao has nothing to hide he shouldn't have a problem with it. Manny is the one ducking and hiding behind his promoter.
     
  9. LeadLeftHook

    LeadLeftHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is not losing a battle rather winning confidence and clearing any doubts about his dramatic dominance going up the weight class. If he is clean it is an opportunity.
     
  10. Leonard

    Leonard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you believe this? he fought jmm on a very uneven playing field. if it was his principle he wouldn't have fought jmm under those conditions.
     
  11. Leonard

    Leonard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    going up in weight successfully has been done before. pac has not ko'd anyone 147 and above. this is a myth the mayweathers made. you trust floyd when he said pac's rise is tantamount to him knocking out hw's?
     
  12. pejevan

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    Name me one reason first why there is a need for OSDT?

    Afetrall,

    He is one dimensional -
    He does not have skills
    He is small
    He fought more than 40 opponents wothout OSDT.
    Corrales, Castillo, Juadh, apparently are better than him.
     
  13. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ya should be a political spinmeister, L, but what you're buyin' into is: Whatever Floyd wants, he should get?

    Floyd's the spoiled child who says: " 'less I get my way, I'm takin' my bat 'n ball 'n goin' home' "
     
  14. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    He'll take the test. He just wants a cut off from being blood tested so close to the fight.
     
  15. pejevan

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    When Gayweather said 14 days, Floydettes said in unison ":14 days". Then we debated ad libitum about te merits of 14 days and beyond." and the *****s gained moral vitory because really, you can still inject yourself with A-side Meff and be superman in 14 days.

    Then Gayweather moved the goalpost to 7 days, then in chorus, the Floydettes sang "7 days" in Bette Midler impersonation. Then we debated and argued till times end about merits of 7 days and beyond. Infact, if I remeber somebody said god rested in the 7th day, so 7 is a good day to test because if God is resting, who is looking after the drug cheats. And so the Floydettes gained moral victory because definitely if God is resting, who is looking after those cheats is a powerful and valid argument and only those that do not know boxing would argue against it.

    Then Gayweather moved the goalpost to 0 days, and the Floydettes are bewildered wether to follow suit. Afterall, 7 days was already debated, waged war, with lives literally lost for the sake of guarding the sanctity of that "7 days'. Afterall, imagine what would be the re[pucussion if someone decalred "God took his rest on the o day". Surely, lives would be lost, faith would be questioned, and the Roman Catholic would excommunite anybody believing it.

    But being as humble and meek, forever obedient servants, Floydettes embraced the ) day cut-off and then mounted a conference to strategize how to defend that timeframe from the insolent, barbaric *******s. They already afterall defended the 7 days, and moving the goalpost again would make them appear like they do not have mind of their own.

    In the said conference headed by the proud warrior from Michigan, they all agreed that the best strategy is to just chant the matra, 'take the test." Any question, legitimate or not would be answered by the genius, non-confrontatonal answer - "take the test".

    The Floydettes honoured ODST timeline actually followed the curve and bends of their master, as what a master-pupil timeline should be.
     
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