Kelly Pavlik - The most overrated fighter

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  1. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    I mean come on now. The guy goes from beating up tomato cans and getting very little respect to superstar over night. All these posts about Pavlik fighting every great fighter out there. What about Pavlik vs Mayweather or Pavlik vs Klitschko?

    Let's face the facts. No doubt Miranda was weight drained and he had no power on his punches when he lost to Kelly. This made Kelly look much better than he was. Next Kelly faces one of the most overrated/protected fighters in Jermain Taylor. Jermain had never been against anyone with power yet stunned by old men and little guys. Also, JT had not put anyone on the canvas in like 2+ years. But against Pavlik, JT not only puts Kelly on the canvas, but almost get the TKO.

    Don't get me wrong. Kelly deserves credit and proved a lot. But he is far from where he is getting placed on people's list. I would not be one bit surprised if Taylor wins the rematch, and at 168lbs if Miranda is able to stop him.
     
  2. natep

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    Tomato cans in Fulgencio Zuniga? Bronco McKart? Jose Luis Zertuche? And he beat the number one middleweight in the world? Yeah dude, totally overrated.
     
  3. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree to an extent, Pavlik does have serious power, top 3 pound for pound IMO. As far as overall boxing skills he's limmited, his punches looked slow in comparison to Taylors, and his footwork is very choppy as well. Pavlik can beat some good fighters out there with his power alone, but the first time he gets in there with a fighter who got pretty good boxing skills and a chin he will lose.
     
  4. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    Rankings:
    Zuniga - 15
    McKart - 68
    Zertuche -51

    Not too hard to beat the bottom two. I give him credit for Zuniga though.
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man, shut the **** up, Pavlik is just as big or bigger than Miranda and had to cut just as much or more weight. Hes a better boxer, has more power, more heart, and a better chin, and is the undisputed champion of the world. How the **** can he be overrated?
     
  6. natep

    natep Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rankings don't mean **** mang. **** the ABC belt organizations.
     
  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seriously, the proof is in Miranda and Taylor taking naps in the ring.

    Coulda woulda shoulda means **** all, Pavlik did the deed, no rating needed, just watch reality.
     
  8. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    Miranda had to lose 50lbs to make weight. No way Pavlik was even close. Pavlik is the better boxer. Miranda has more single punch power, Pavlik has more power over continous punches. Miranda has a bigger heart to keep getting abused and not giving up. We dont know how much Kelly could take cause he has never been there. Better chin? Not sure here either. Again, Pavlik got dazed bad by one good punch. Miranda was hurt from being pounded over 7 rounds.

    Being the champion does not mean you cant be over rated dip****! That is the whole point!
     
  9. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Face it, Kelly did what he was supposed to and now he's champion. I know you don't like that he beat Miranda but get over it.
     
  10. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Well yeah.

    Pavlik is still better than Miranda though.
     
  11. 2FasT

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    Calzaghe would school Pavlik :deal
     
  12. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    Overrated, well is not like he has been ranked as a 1st P4P, I give him credit for doing all the things he have done (Miranda, Taylor) but I do think that Taylor has a chance in their rematch, anything could happen.
     
  13. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He didn't lose 50 pounds of water which is what makes you weight drained.

    There is a difference between losing weight through getting in shape, and cutting weight. Cutting weight is losing the weight just long enough to step on a scale and then putting it back on before the fight, both men weighed nearly the same when they stepped in the ring. Both men are about the same size when in shape, if Miranda is stupid and lazy enough to get absurdly heavy between fights that just shows another way Pavlik is superior.

    If Miranda is that lazy between fights 8 pounds wont make a difference, he will just lose less fat and be in worse shape before hitting the sauna and being weight drained again.

    There is more to heart than getting beat up, true heart is displayed by working hard EVERYDAY. Miranda let himself get fat and out of shape, that is not heart. Saying Miranda has more heart because he was getting abused is absurd, Pavlik had the heart to be tough enough to take all the abuse Miranda had for him, and more importantly had the heart to stay in shape and act like a profesional.
     
  14. PolishPummler

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    Keep in mind the thread starter talked **** for months leading up to Pavlik vs Miranda fight and dissapeared for MONTHS after the beating Miranda took.

    Pantera you are a grade A ***** for running off like a school girl.
     
  15. albeziel

    albeziel Multi Viral C13 Full Member

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    Maybe you are just mad cause he KO Pantera, there is always the option of a rematch in the future, besides I think Pantera will want to fight Pavlik in the future, hell! even Arthur....If Taylor wins the rematch I wouldn't be surprised also