Let's see a video of Bute vs Andrade rd 12 with a stop watch.

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Are we gonna really start with this Bute-Andrade again?

 

I don't care whether you think he was hurt or tired, he couldn't stand, so should have received a count from 0:57.

And the referee doesn't start the count, the timekeeper does, after the ref sends the other fighter to the neutral corner, the timekeeper signals to him how many seconds have passed, hence sometimes the ref starting from 3, or 5

Do you think the ref just made up a time in his mind and started from there??

Youtube has a timer, and it was 13 seconds to the point the camera cut away and at no point was he stable

 

Really? I guess Prescott, Limond and Maidana came close to checkin the china. Good Thread! It is a shame, Bute-Andrade got 2 years, now lets discuss Khan-Limond.

 

what do you need a stop watch for? 10 seconds is a ****ing myth....its the refs count that counts..not a stopwatch

 

how long ago was this? TS=agenda driven

 

The ref doesn't count

 

True. Stuff like that Proves that there are many Bute haters. They only care about stuff like Bute-Andrade. Do they care that Bute came back Stronger and smarter, No they do not. Do they care he Brutally Avenged his knockdown by Destroying Andrade for 3 rounds and then landing this unbelievable KO. No they do not. Do they care he just stepped up from Bika, Miranda, Andrade, Magee level opponents up to Glen Johnson and soon to be Andre Ward level opponents? Nadda. Instead they complain about certain past mistakes. That is wrong.

 

The official rules that were in effect have been posted here many times already.
- He was "saved by the bell" the moment he did rise and anything else but his feet touched the canvas.
Whatever the referee did, it didn't matter. It were the weird IBF rules that were in effect that saved Bute from a loss, not the referee.
Any prrotest from Andrades camp would be nullified by that.
Some boxers have been saved by the bell while being out cold, it just a matter of what rules were in effect.

Bute was just lucky.

 

Seeing as though I don't have a dog in this fight, I can say objectively that Bute beat the count, and would have beaten the count had the ref stayed there and counted.

I've seen a LOT of fights, and I've NEVER see the ref start counting while the boxer is on his way down. i've never seen the ref start counting while the boxer hits the ropes on the way down. Hell, even when a boxer receives a count for being held up by the ropes, the ref has always stopped the action and issued the count. Stopping the action takes at least a second or two real time. Guys who are starting the count at :56 and :57 are basically issuing a count as soon as Bute receives the final punch and starts his descent down. Fights NEVER work that way.

 

wow khan should have been counted out, he got on his knee at 9 or 10, seriously terrible refereeing or promoters power.
Bute well its longest 7 seconds ever, referee pick up count at seven, real count was at least 12.

 

That's pretty much it right there.

Just because the ref didn't handle it properly doesn't change the most important part of it- Bute was up in time, and there was no time left in the fight once he was. Andrade floored him 10-15 seconds too late, otherwise it could've been a Chavez-Taylor scenario.

 

In practical terms, if everything was followed the way the vast majority of fights are followed, the count wouldn't have started until 1:00. The procedure has ALWAYS been, the fighter goes down, the ref stops the action and directs the opponent to the corner, then he starts issuing the count. The process of stopping the action and directing the opponent to the neutral corner is usually a second or two long. A great example is in the Pacquiao-Hatton fight:



[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T7B5HOupPU[/ame]



At 5:23 the sequence leading to the knockdown begins. At 5:25 he hits the ground. The ref counts 5 at 5:31. That's a one second differential.

At 6:12, Hatton goes down again. The 4 count doesn't start until 6:17, which is again a one second differential.

 

:deal

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTPHqlYd04[/ame]

Here we see Marquez start to go down at 8:27 and hit the ground just before 8:28. Marquez gets the six count at 8:35, eight seconds after beginning the process of falling and a little over seven seconds after hitting the ground. So a 1-2 second differential depending on when you feel the knockdown was official.

Happens again at 8:51. Reaches the 4 count at 8:56 - a 1 second differential. BTW, someone made the correct observation that the count is often out of sync with actual seconds. You'll note that the the 8 count comes at 9:01, which is just over 10 seconds after the knockdown.

One more time at 9:14 when he hits and is held up by the ropes. You hear "five" at 9:21, which is a full SEVEN seconds after he hits the ropes. He gets the eight count at 9:26, TWELVE seconds after hitting the ropes.

So going back to this fight:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0[/ame]

He hits the ground at :58. Assuming the standard 1-2 second differential, the count would have started at between :59 - 1:00. He was up by 1:08, which in ref counting time would have been about a 7-8 count.

There's no doubt in my mind he would have made it with a second or two to spare had the ref done what he was supposed to do in the first place.

 

Glass Jawed disgrace.