Pacquiao has taken more tough opposition than Floyd's opponents

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  1. hofbrau

    hofbrau Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Previous 6 opponents for each (using the odds for the upcoming Pacquiao/Marquez fight)

    Manny 7.5/1 over Marquez (upcoming) Mayweather 7/1 over Ortiz
    Manny 6/1 over Mosley Mayweather 3.5/1 over Mosley
    Manny 4.5/1 over Margarito Mayweather 4/1 over Marquez
    Manny 8/1 over Clottey Mayweather 2.2/1 over Hatton
    Manny 3/1 over Cotto Mayweather 2/1 over Oscar DLH
    Manny 2.5/1 over Hatton Mayweather 7/1 over Baldomir

    Manny Pacquiao has been a bigger favorite over his past 6 opponents than Floyd has. It’s hard to say. It certainly puts a damper on the Pacquiao fans’ argument that Floyd has fought weaker opposition, because Manny’s been favored by a wider margin. Pac fans’ rebuttal would be that Manny’s such a better fighter, that he SHOULD have better odds over fighters than Floyd. However, if Floyd is worse, doesn’t that mean his opponents were closer to his skill level, meaning he had tougher fights?
     
  2. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What does it matter, Mayweather had tougher fights, I like watching them both.
     
  3. :rofl
     
  4. brando

    brando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mayweather-Ortiz is a tough fight! :patsch:lol:
     
  5. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    Where did you get these odds?
     
  6. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather has never I repeat never been an underdog in any single fight.

    He wont fight someone with a real fighting chance .

    Pac has had to overcome the odds

    he was underdog against the big name mexicans de la Hoya and that hatton fight in some bookmakers

    Floyd has never had to overcome these kinda odds to win

    THEN

    when a pretty level fight with Pac comes around he walks off muttering a million excuses
     
  7. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    Corrales :lol:
    I just enjoy the rpeat!!!! part.
     
  8. hofbrau

    hofbrau Well-Known Member Full Member

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  9. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    corrales was not ranked ahead of floyd in any manner nor was he the favourite to win that fight
     
  10. xviiixvi

    xviiixvi Active Member Full Member

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    Really now which fighter would you pick from 140 - 154 to make Floyd the Underdog??????
     
  11. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look I agree.

    When Floyd had his first title he said that he wanted to be a 5 weight champ in 5 divisions

    He said he even then "anyone from 54 down you take em I break em"

    he talked a de la hoya fight for years

    He had pedigree more than most like a young oscar

    All of the above is true

    But he fact is he never had a true rival


    All the other top guys stepped in with Pac without an BS

    the ducking is terrible , Oscar would never do that

    It just really sux and people are calling him on it
     
  12. beatsy

    beatsy Member Full Member

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    This. There is a reason Floyd's never the underdog. reason: he is just THAT much better than everyone else. I really don't care for him but who (barring going up to MW SMW) would he be underdog against. Even against Pac he would be the favourite.
     
  13. xviiixvi

    xviiixvi Active Member Full Member

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    Your contention is that Floyd never challenged himself and took a fight when he was the underdog... I think asked you WHICH FIGHTER would you consider an underdog in a fight from 140 - 154? You then DID NOT answer the question... so I REPEAT my question.... which fight do you suggest that he put himself in the ring with that makes himself the UNDERDOG? I'll wait....
     
  14. Rangersfan1982

    Rangersfan1982 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  15. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In their last 6 fights here's how Pacquiao's and Mayweathers opponents match up:

    Pacquiao's:

    Shane Mosley- Mayweather leftover.... way past his prime. Coming off a loss to Mayweather where he was dominated and a draw with journeyman Sergio Mora (someone he would have killed in his prime). Mosley was 40 years old.

    Antonio Margarito- Way past his prime, hadn't won a fight in over 2 years. Coming off brutal KO loss to Shane Mosley. Margarito was 32. Margarito was forced to drain weight and fight Pac at a catchweight lower than his optimal weight which naturally weakens a fighter.

    Josh Clottey- never been a top level operator. always good for his divison but no top name. Coming off a controversial close loss to Miguel Cotto. Clottey was 33.

    Miguel Cotto- Past his prime but still solid Cotto, very good win for a small guy moving up in weight by Pacquiao. Cotto was WBO welterweight champ. Cotto wasn't in his best shape though and was coming off a controversial close win over Josh Clottey and before that a brutal beatdown KO loss to Antonio Margarito. Cotto was forced to drain weight and fight Pac at a catchweight lower than his optimal weight which weakened him.

    Ricky Hatton- Yet another Mayweather leftover. Decent win for a small guy moving up in weight but Hatton was coming off a brutal KO loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr, Hatton was 31.

    Oscar De La Hoya- Another Mayweather leftover. De La Hoya was forced to drain weight and fight Pac at Welterweight which is a weight Oscar hadn't weighed for over 8 years!! He was heavier than welterweight for 8 years, it's an incredible strain on the body to go down a division after spending so much time at a higher weight. Making the weight nearly killed Oscar, he had visible IV marks on his arms (a sign of repleneshing from cutting too much weight which Pacs trainer Freddy Roach noted) he also looked like a skeleton in the face and was pale as a ghost, he looked ill. De La Hoya was not only severly weight drained, he was way past his prime coming off of a loss to Mayweather Jr and a hard fought decision against tiny Steve Forbes who busted his face up (prime Oscar would have KO'd Forbes in 5 rounds and won every round leading up to it). De La Hoya was 35.

    Mayweathers:

    Victor Ortiz- WBC world Welterweight champ coming off huge win and upset in the fight of the year where he beat Andre Berto knocking him down several time in spectacular fashion to capture Berto's championship belt. Young powerful southpaw. Ortiz was 24.

    Shane Mosley- WBA world Welterweight champ coming off HUGE brutal upset KO win over Antonio Margarito. Mosley was a bit past his prime vs Mayweather but coming off a big win he looked excellent in and he was the champ at Welterweight. Mosley was 38.

    Juan Manuel Marquez- Lightweight champion moving up in weight coming off of big stoppage wins over top notch fighters Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz. Gave Pacquaio 2 of his hardest fights earning a draw and losing a split decision in fights where many had Marquez winning both. Fighting at Welterweight effected Marquez' perfomance just as it will in the 3rd Pacquiao vs Marquez fight which is at Welterweight in November but none the less, Mayweather dominated Pacquaio's biggest rival Marquez with ease winning all 12 rounds and knocking Marquez down in the process. Mayweather made what was so hard for Manny look easy. Marquez was 37.

    Ricky Hatton- Undefeated long reigning Junior Welterweight champ of the world in the peak of his prime. Coming off a huge winning streak against the best Junior Welterweights in the world ending with a big KO win over former Mayweather rival Jose Luis Castillo before the Mayweather fight. Hatton was 29.

    Oscar De La Hoya- Coming off a brutal stoppage win over 2 time champ Ricardo Mayorga. Mayweather moved up in weight to fight the bigger De La Hoya at De La Hoya's most comfortable weight and conceded all advantages to De La Hoya in negotiations. De La Hoya was 34.

    Carlos Baldomir- WBC, lineal and Ring welterweight champion of the world. Coming off shocking upset over former champ Zab Judah and a KO win over Arturo Gatti. Baldomir was 36.

    So you'll see all of Mayweathers opponents are closer to their primes and coming off big wins while all of Pacquaio's are coming off losses and 3 of them coming off losses to Mayweather who beat them before Pacquiao. On top of that you'll see Pacquiao's team made some of his opponents drain weight and fight him at lower weight classes making them weaker on fight night while Mayweather fought them all in their own weight classes and even moved up in weight to fight bigger guys in the weight class they're comfortable in.