Dawson - Hopkins: The WBC rules

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  1. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your either a troll or a Dawson fanboy

    Seriously trying to justify a TKO for Dawson is despicable
     
  2. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Hopkins literally jumped onto the guys back. WTF did you want, Dawson to give Hopkins a free piggy back ride around the ring?

    It's been dissected in slow motion, and shown that Dawson was still moving backwards when Hopkins jumped. Dawson was bent down and moving backwards, and Hopkins made a decision to take a huge lunge with his right leg which could only result in him landing on Dawson's back. Most likely because he had overextended and was hoping not to pay for it.

    Face it, Hopkins cheated (big surprise there, right?) and gave Dawson the choice of either going down with Hopkins on top of him and risk injuring himself, or shrugging Hopkins off and risk injuring Hopkins. He made the 100% correct choice - a choice forced onto him by Hopkins cheating.

    Another fact is that when you jump onto someone you lose almost every bit of control you have over your balance. If you end up on your ass or your head as a result, you only have yourself to blame.

    So Hopkins' stupidity and dirty, illegal tactics backfired and he got himself injured as a direct result of his own actions.

    People have to quit bitching about Dawson refusing to be ridden by Bhops like some ****ing mule.
     
  3. make_the_weight

    make_the_weight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dawson WWE2/NFL2 Hopkins
     
  4. The_President

    The_President Boxing Addict banned

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    :lol: me neither. A bunch of mealy mouth lawyer noise

    I expect we'll soon hear that sanity as prevail, that the fight is reversed to a NC, with BHOP retaining his title, as it should have been ruled last night.
     
  5. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    There's nothing like a solid argument... I suggest you come back when you find one of those.
     
  6. sadlittleboy

    sadlittleboy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The WBC could refuse to accept Dawson as a champion (See: Soto v Lorenzo I)
     
  7. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    If your genetic line dominated people would still be living in caves and using their i-stones.

    Nice attempt at mimicking stone-age English (?), though - I'll give you that.
     
  8. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    Source?
     
  9. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    If we are talking about WBC rules, perhaps someone would clarify - if the injury is considered to be self sustained, and he can't fight on, then what happens?

    The injury was clearly Hopkins own fault, for jumping onto someone and voluntarily losing all control over his balance and which way he was going to fall.

    Wouldn't the rules state that this is a loss for Hopkins? Otherwise, any fighter could just randomly decide to try a backflip, land awkwardly, get injured, and get a N/C if they wanted.
     
  10. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And sadly, judging by the commissoner's answer to Max Kellerman, and the "I don't give a rat's ass" look on the guy's face, it seems like the commission has been paid off as much as the ref was.
     
  11. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he didn't. (What fight were you watching?) He chose TKO, for which there is absolutely no justification at all.

    -But nice try re-writing history.
     
  12. The_President

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    LOL, a mealy mouthed slimy lawyer takes offense, but let's not start speaking of stone age or I'll have to hit your caveman ass with the real deal of DNA data.
    My work is effective. :yep
     
  13. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    Thanks for your posts.

    Even if the fight was not fought on WBC rules, which I can accept, then I very much doubt that the rules for the local commission significantly differ from the above (which is one reason why the alphabet organization's don't really object to the arrangement). I can't be bothered to check but unless someone proves otherwise, that will be my running assumption (if you check the different alphabet regulations, then those are almost carbon copies of each other - which I think validates my point).

    Your second point is plain wrong. Here's one example: Golota Tyson ended after Golota refused to fight after round 2. He wasn't out or anything, and so it clearly wasn't stopped on a punch (Golota simply didn't want any more action). Fight was stopped and declared a Tyson win (later changed to NC because of Tyson testing positive for Marijuana) even though this was the second round...

    On your final point, perhaps the commission can overrule a sensible referee decision (though Dawson's lawyers will certainly have a close look at the arguments used, so you might want to keep your ranch out of this...) - but that doesn't necessarily make the judgement wrong or invalid - which is kind of what this thread is about.
     
  14. kotjinx

    kotjinx Robotic White Boy Full Member

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    This thread is for grown ups. Now go away.
     
  15. MMJoe

    MMJoe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What does that word mean?