Fulton claimed he was "double-crossed" against Dempsey

Funny i just the other day spoke to a Fulton family member in her 80s who is in charge of Freds estate and scrapbook.
She stated very clearly Freds side of the story.
Dempsey was left out of the planning.
It was all cooked up between Doc Kearns and Fred with a rematch promised and so on.
She said when Demps was featured on the TV show "This Is Your Life" Fred wanted to swing on Jack.
He was still steamed up to that day.

 

darcy lay the blueprint for this ko by destroying fulton in a spar not long earlier. dempsey is quoted as saying he had 'handlers at the spar' that bore witness to the slaying.

so dempsey did what darcy had quickly learned from fighting bigger men....get under them and throw short hard punches. scroll down for the dempsey interview.. author pictured with dempsey. http://www.darcy-niland.com.au/LesDarcy.html

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Gene Tunney, however, had the name right. He looked like the kind of man who would make sure of the accuracy of anything he pronounced upon.
Dignified, astute, probably 60 or 50, Tunney still had the open-faced charm of the classic "college boy" boxer who took the heavyweight championship from Jack Dempsey in 1926. He was kindly, too, and talked for some time about Darcy.
"I think you'll find that he's well remembered in this country," Tunney said. "He was not only a boxing prodigy, a nonpareil, but he incarnated the hero principle as well. Young gladiator stuff. He was just a kid when he defeated some of the best middleweights this century ever produced. "If he had lived - to 24, say - he would have been a marvel of marvels. As it was, I would call him the best middleweight of all time. See if Mr Dempsey doesn't agree with me."
We walked down to Jack Dempsey's unpretentious restaurant, near 49th St. D'Arcy said, "I hope that the old Les heard that."
I said, "I hope the old Jack offers us a cup of coffee." We were nearly always ravenous, for we had just enough money to get by.

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D'Arcy Niland and Jack Dempsey 1961

Thank God, the old Jack offered us a hamburger along with the coffee. Meeting him was an event for me, for he had been my father's criterion of manhood. As a child, I had constantly heard horses, dogs, pigs and Maoris described as "game as Jack Dempsey," "wild as Jack Dempsey," "hungry as Jack Dempsey."
And here he was, not only my father's but Gene Tunney's hero principle, in the flesh. In some mysterious way a hero resonates with the public; you can feel it sure as you can tell heat from cold. Dempsey helped us understand the Darcy myth. Tunney, of course, understood it well. He had defeated Dempsey twice, and the public never forgave him for it.
Flawlessly dressed, mighty paws manicured, with sleek jaguar head and Inca eyes, Dempsey chatted to us hospitably about his life as hobo, fighter, restaurateur and "Less" Darcy.
"Never saw him myself. There was a possibility we'd meet, you know, when it became obvious that Carpentier wasn't going to come fight him. So some of my handlers went to Goshen, where he gave an exhibition spar with Fred Fulton.
"Believe, me, Fred was a dinosaur, a nice dinosaur but twice as big as Less. But Less skittled him. He was one hell of a fighter. They sold him a bill of goods, Less. He got sick and I think he died of a broken heart.
"Who are we to say about the way he left Australia? Easy to throw stones. I was called a slacker later, and so was Jess Willard."
"Do you think you'd have licked him, Jack?"
"I reckon. But I tell you this straight: I'm working on the saying that a good big man can always beat a good little man. Less and I were the same age bar a few months, but he was giving away nearly 45 lb in weight, and nearly 7 inches in height. But, who knows? He was a game boy, I wish I could have shook him by the hand."
While we were interviewing people we were also working several hours a day at the New York Library. Stone walls, richly inlaid and intaglioed roof with gilt encrusted panels, a Renaissance effect. But a pain in the neck to work in. No air conditioning, everyone in shirt sleeves and glistening with sweat.

 

:roll:

yup. darcy wrote a blueprint nobody saw. jack owes darcy for that win :roll:

 

We know from the article that I posted a while ago that "Fireman Jim Flynn" was at the training camp during the Fulton Darcy sparring sessions. I think they only time he trialled using some of Darcy's tricks was in February 1917 agaisnt Jack Dempsey when the Darcy methods produced the obvious results. (you can see the difference in the rematch when Dempsey himself actually started to listen to his handlers and learnt from experience).

Yep, i think it sounds pretty much irrefutable, doesnt it?:yep

 

Actually we dont know that do we? The article mentioning Flynn is very specific as to who Darcy sparred with and how many rounds. Fulton is not mentioned at all in the article despite several people named. I also think that had Flynn seen Darcy knock out Fulton he might have been inclined to pick Darcy over Jack Dillon (that fight was scheduled for two weeks later), He didnt. He picked Dillon to outpoint him.

 

flynn was a liar. yes its a shock i know. but sometimes fighters lie......dont they klompton...

 

Actually, i was pretty sure that it said that he was at goshan, at the time, but didnt mention the opponents or results other than that he watched fulton spar. I havent got time to look up so I could be wrong on that point.

 

and if klompton DID find evidence to support the fact darcy and fulton sparred, do you think klompton would reveal it, after calling dempsey and a whole list of well respected old timers, flat out liars?

no, klompton wouldnt. that is another reason he should never be allowed to touch history. history should not be touched by a man with such dirty hands.

 

Once again, I never said they didnt spar. I said I have a hard time believing that Darcy knocked Fulton out. Those are two wildly different things.

If you can show me evidence they sparred, great. If you can show evidence Fulton was knocked while sparring, even better. As it stands right now you havent been able to do either.

And as for Flynn, yes, according to the article previously posted names of sparring partners and lengths of the rounds were given. Fulton was not mentioned. Keep in mind that Fulton's time at Goshen was fairly limited compared to Darcy's.

 

atsch

your tower is crumbling. ive quoted you for future...er, reference.:yep

 

if you have some new information then share it. otherwise my 'tower' is as secure as ever... whatever that even means...

 

Yeah we didn't just get Darcy, but we got D'Arcy too,..... but hey, that's a Jack Dempsey interview so it isn't out of place........ and Dempsey has no particular reason to make it up, none at all.

 

So buddy, what do you think of Fulton saying that Dempsey double-crossed him,... I know nothing about it,.... anybody have a link ?

 

Afterward, Mike Donovan told Dempsey, "I wish I was 50 years younger so I could kick your ass!"