Yeah and I still believe his a great counter puncher, but I don't know if he can catch Gary Russell Jr or Gamboa with some of the stuff he throws Judah didn't open up much and Floyd created his own offence. According to a lor of you guys, Mosley gassed out in the 2nd round and stopped throwing punches :tired So Floyd definitely didn't look bad there after Mosley supposedly "stopped throwing punches" Floyd's done this plenty of times Watch the WHOLE Hatton fight :yep Here in the Mosley fight, with a stronger guy than Clottey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA7O1krogGQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=21s I can see it now. Floyd will push his left forearm against Clottey's guard and punch with his right hand to the body and throw a quick combo like at 4:21 in this video [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo[/ame]
Me too I'd like to see that fight as well. Let's see how a master slick fighter like Floyd would fair up against a turtle-like Clottey who almost doesn't open up for mistakes :good
So you're comparing Clottey's style to someone like Hatton who doesn't know to cover up in a fight? Mosley? stronger than Clottey? hmmm.... but Clottey doesn't clinch that much so how does Mosley compare to Clottey's style? Zab Judah is more offensive with his handspeed and he evades punches rather than blocking it. I don't know how you compare that to Clottey. But I think you're right in one thing, Floyd knows how to create openings. But against Clottey? how?
No if you read anything that I just said, I said Floyd can fight in the clinch and he shows that against Hatton who's whole game is fighting in the clinch. And yes Mosley is stronger than Clottey. Everybody on this forum would agree. And Clottey doesn't need to clinch much. Floyd will initiate it and grab his right arm and punch with his right. He doesn't even really need to clinch Clottey either, he can just get in his philly shell and fight in the pocket. I just mentioned the clinch because Narvares wasn't staying in one spot for Donaire to fight up close. And somebody asked how would Floyd handle a negative fighter, and I showed you with Judah. Here's another move Floyd would have used. Jab to the stomach followed by an overhand right [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwfcvVP957o[/ame] Watch what he does with Bruseles at :25 and then what he does to Oscar at :39
good vid:good ok, I'm starting to see what you mean. That jab to the body is deadly accurate and well timed, but why I did comment on that is because donaire(yes this was originally about donaire) is facing a much smaller fighter. Picture hearns, floyd on that vid looks smaller than most of his opponents, Nonito has a good jab but I think it would be hard to jab your opponent to the body if your facing someone "4 shorter than you add that with good defense. Oh and for the record, I'm not one of those who said mosley stop punching lol, floyd negated his offense. Add to that other factors proven in the pac fight, when mosley is stop on his tracks his offense drops and I think thats the same mosley that destroyed margo. All about styles
bballchump, floyd still couldn't make a good fight out of clottey. clottey not opening up and with abysmal offense just makes for a bad and boring fight for anyone.
oh i forgot to talk about clottey, floyd can do all that but i think he still shells up and its a given fight that it would go to the cards unless anyone here believes clottey gets stop. I still want to see that fight, see how floyd reacts if clottey frustrates him or not. If he does frustrate floyd, he might throw him off his gameplan and we see another side of floyd. Either way its a floyd decision win, with probably some bad press afterwards. Would still pay to see it:good
I got what you saying and you're right about Donaire jabbing Omar's stomach. I was trying to relate my points back to the topic (Donaire/Narvaus), but he kept asking about Floyd and Clottey. I'd also add that it's hard to land a jab to the stomach against southpaws. But my original point is that Floyd would have looked better vs Narvaus than Donaire did
Donaire looked a little uninspired. While most people are right about Donaire having trouble with the style, choosing to ignore certain dimensions of his offense, etc, I also think cutting the weight might have affected him. Maybe he chose to box more conservatively in order to conserve his energy, and the way he just fell over from his own punch in the last round is not how we usually see the sharp and fleet-footed Donaire handle himself. Very sloppy.
In a way the fight reminded me of Mosley when fighting that small guy John Brown. He was so small that there was no body to hit. Narvares seemed a little like that to, although I take the point, he should of invested more in the body-shots. What I would of liked to of seen Donaire try, was to use more feints, cause Narvares would only raise his hands when he knew Donaire was gonna punch at him, so I think the emphasis was on Donaire to throw him a few feints to get him to raise the guard, and see if he could catch him in the midst of bringing the guard down after being faked out with the feints. I also would of had him throwing the 1,2,3 but utilizing the upjab as the 3rd punch. Try to corkscrew it through the middle of the gloves after throwing the right hand.
He did win the fight, and he will learn a lot from a fight like that. He has to learn how to double jab and use more angles getting inside and working the body to set up his head punches. He isn't going to always have his opponent throw a punch so he can counter. But he will learn. I didn't think it was a bad fight. It will teach him that sometimes he has to work to get the knockout and not just wait for a counter.
same people who were bitching about Pacquiao's performance against Mosley are now on Nonito's ass even though Nonito's opponent was not a washed up bum.
