If it is easy to use PEDS in boxing, why are we not seeing many superboxers?

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  1. peakbay

    peakbay Active Member Full Member

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    sunn = WUM

    if your not whats your opinion?
    or are you just a wanka
     
  2. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    1.just like there are others who are cunning and will exploit whatever holes they find to make a buck or. that's why there are commission to oversee all these. boxing is known to fix fights in its early days. you cant just rely on the participants to behave in a manner you expected them without some sort of oversight.
    Indeed, some are honest, some aren't.
    2.ok you introduce another type of ped here. if the cyclists can afford to use them, why cant boxers? and how these blood transfusions help the boxers.
    That's not a new type of ped, it's a way to use your own blood to mimic the effect of EPO/DynEPO to produce more red bloodcells (wich gives you better endurance) and it's very hard to detect because it's the body's own blood.

    3.were this already addressed, that steroids is counter productive because boxers need to make weight in boxing. and you claim this yourself, even with crappy test this can be detected because they stay long in the system, what is the used of year round osdt, of which you are the proponent, for?
    Heavyweights don't have that problem... It also isn't a problem if you move up in weight after a long absence or if you were low in the weight anyway

    4.with the advancement in testing tech, what you are saying is feasible. but what about advancement from the cheaters side?
    im not really sure where you stand at? first you claim, boxers fear getting caught, therefore, in this context we dont even need the current test. then you also say peds are expensive and most of the boxers can not afford them. if they can not afford peds, how can they afford year round osdt, of which is not really needed because the drug that the year round test supposed to test for, they cant be found because boxers wont be able to use since they are expensieve. even if the drugs are not expensive, boxers fear to use them anyway. you claim you are for new year round test but at the same time claim its not needed because drugs are expensive and that even boxers can afford, they fear using it. you have to make a clear stand here. you are contradicting yourself.for
    Yes they are too expensive for the minor boxers, and very affordable for the bigshots. Most cyclists can affort it because they have very high saleries even if they are not in the top 100.
    Complete testing from the doping agencies for the top fighters... If someone makes it to the top he can be tested all year long (no matter if he's in training or not).


    5. are there physical side effects?
    Heartfailure or impotenty not enough for ya?! :D Or do you mean the bloodtransfusion thing? If yes then look up Ricardo Ricco in google :yep
     
  3. oskar

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    Some commend PBF because his cleaning the sport which according to them is rampant of cheats now they say this honesty & morality, bs that's the reason why there are no super boxer out there in this weak era but full of ped users... A bit contradicting I say... Skills wins fight not peds so how come PBF needs this "playing field"?
     
  4. hmi

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    That is ***** logic to you. The funny thing is they usually resort to ad hominem in their arguments since their logic goes in the air.

    Suddenly boxers have higher morality than other athletes and hence do not want to take PEDs and also they are afraid to get caught cheating. On the contrary, PEDs use in boxing is rampant since the 60's and 70's. You did not research deep enough in the sport if you do not know this. :lol:
     
  5. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    You also have to take into account the health risks. Is it really worth the price you will pay done the line?
     
  6. djmaso

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    We had plenty superboxers when Victor Conte's Balco lab was operating Holyfield, Roy Jones, and Sugar Shane.
     
  7. Boxing Fanatic

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    because the money aint there. these guys like floyd and pac can afford to pay off bigwigs.
     
  8. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Only Shane was directly involved in the Balco incident
     
  9. Boxing Fanatic

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    holyfield had them shipped to a pharmacy in atlanta
     
  10. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    The Holyfield incident wasnt related to Balco to the best of my knowledge. He got 'caught' around 2007. Balco was finished in 2003
     
  11. anundecidedarm

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    i always thought that too. if the current ways of testing is so inefficient, why not just cheat if PEDs makes you that much better. why not become another Pacquiao (assuming he's on PEDs) and make history if you can't get caught?
     
  12. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    No.
    In 2007 a pharmacy that was selling peds to athletes was raided by the FBI and a man with the same phone number and address as Evander was one of the companies clients. His name was Evan Fields....lol
     
  13. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ

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    OK.
    The lesser boxers can probably only go for the easier to detect drugs, because that's what they can afford. Big chance that they get caught with regular testing.
    There's no problem with the ones that are afraid to use it anyway, so we can skip that alltogether.
    The ones that aren't afraid to use (and can afford "designer drugs") will be subjected to (real) OSDT and so risk getting caught also.

    For your information, real OSDT is actually very intrusive. You can get tested anytime, any place, all year long and have to give your "whereabouts" to the controlling authority. When you're not there 3 times it will go down as a positive test and you'll be banned from the sport for some time.
    And even that method is far from "fool proof". There are plenty examples of athletes that admitted using PEDs for years, got caught transporting or something and never got caught while being subjected to OSDT. The chances are just a lot bigger to catch the cheaters.
     
  14. eze

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    Just cause you take PEDs doesn't mean you are going to turn into an elite fighter, or even a good fighter.


    It will however give you an edge if you were matched up against an equally skilled opponent.
     
  15. pit

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    1 Hmmm if you don't know the meaning between and ham and egger vs an elite then you will never know.

    2 Are you serious .. ?!? based on the information you just stated yourself. Ask yourself this question can you add 20lb to your current frame right now, in a years or two years time and beat your fastest 100 miter run buy more then half and adding an additional miter to the over all run.. ? Even if managed to do this naturally it would still raise eyebrows .. why because adding mass with out sacrificing speed and stamina is extremely difficult

    3 no I did not mistake performance for athleticism..
    example everyone know that marquez is the more skill fighter between he and pac.. but due to pac physical attribute advantage at 147 marquez loses this fight in a major way.. Now if marquez were to some how augment his strength and speed to match that or exceed that of pac's this fight would lean heavily in marquez's favor .