Is MAYWEATHER really JMM X2? In Regards to a PACQUIAO fight.

No. I think Floyd wins, he outboxes Manny but I think he won't look that great, I believe Floyd will move a lot in this fight, it won't be like Mosley, he will be running but he'll win. Morales and JMM traded with Manny, they got hit A LOT. We haven't seen anyone beat Manny without getting hit too much, so if Floyd does start to get hit while using all of his defensive tactics, I'm not sure how he'll react, will he open up more? will he be content to keep getting hit and win or lose on points? or will he become more negative and lose on points due to low activity? Who knows, he's never ever been there. We've seen Mayweather go on the offensive, but we haven't seen Mayweather go on the offensive and get hit with good shots in a fight throughout, it's not the same and he won't handle it the same.

 

The differences I see between JMM and FMJ are:

• FMJ's body structure is better suited at 147+ than JMM
• He is as fast or faster than Pac at 147, compared to JMM
• He has better reflexes than JMM, thus he should be able to counter Pac a lot better than JMM (in theory, that is)
• Longer arms
• Not necessarily a better defender, but more than adequate
• Still closer to his prime, so to speak, than JMM and is never out of shape

JMM, IMO, is the better combination puncher and has the bigger heart and balls since he has been willing to fight Pac three times compared to zero times by FMJ.

 

The thing is, Floyd is not necessarily better than JMM at all of those. His defense just makes it seem so. When your defense is so good, you can, for example, string combos together just as well as another fighter, but at the end, your reflexes are better and you don't get hit in return. We've seen JMM display that while getting hit throughout the 2 fights he had with Pac. If Floyd does get hit, will he display all of that just the same? Impossible to know.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2w4nJlk0Q[/ame] Watch this and look at Floyd's feet! I have always said that the fight with Manny will be similar to this fight with Manny having his moments. Floyd will be turning Manny and sticking his ass with quick accurate shots at long range. The things that Manny don't do well is just enough for Floyd to dominate him

 

What's your point?

You've done nothing to disprove it.

 

I know I did nothing bc the video disproved it.

 

Manny's foot speed is much better than JMM. It won't look the same.

 

You are right but Manny's foot work and ability to cut off the ring isn't!

 

The only thing the video proved was that JMM had bigger balls than Mayweather will ever have. It proves that JMM is more honorable than Maywather will ever be.

JMM moved up 2 weight class and Floyd cheated by coming in overweight.

 

Marquez relies on consistent movement and a displacement of an opponent's aggression (particularly with Pacquiao's speedy and lunging offense), and counter-punches at mid-range while breaking up his own rhythm by coming forward in spots to back his opponent up or bait a response to set up a sharp counter.

Floyd controls fighters at range and maximizes his height and speed to lay in wait for his fighter to attack the false target he provides, and then punish with great accuracy. He doesn't use much lateral movement like Marquez and prefers to work going backwards and forwards, using his efficient movements to punish, stifle, and control his opponent's offense. He does something similar when coming forward to attack.

Both fight in the pocket against overwhelming pressure/infighters, though out of different guards and with different goals in mind.


In regards to Pacquiao, I've said before that Marquez consistently turns Pacquiao and displaces the space between them in order to maximize his own opportunities to land while minimizing Pac's, and backs him up in certain spots to exploit his issues going backwards; all in a very fluid manner. Floyd, IMO, will have a harder time doing this out of his traditional straight-lined tactics. If he leans back to defend, his sensitivity to feints may allow Pacquiao the chance to trick him into anchoring himself on the back-foot in his philly shell, and turn the angle before Floyd can move and respond.

If Floyd cannot set the pace, I believe he will have trouble. While both adjust beautifully mid-fight, I believe Marquez is better at recovering a round or ad******g to a rhythm moment to moment, whereas Floyd usually turns the tide after a round or two of observation and possibly low-activity by taking away his opponent's space to work. Floyd sometimes looks uncomfortable when in the process of figuring things out, and someone like Pacquiao may not give him that time and force him to think on his feet. We have yet to see what the Floyd of the last 6 years looks like when the fight isn't fought on his terms.

 

I always felt Marquez excelled more at combinations, and was on par with Floyd's counter-punching, but slower overall; watching Marquez-Mayweather was interesting because Floyd was a good sport when he got hit, it energized him. I've seen it, but I think I have to watch that highlight reel you posted Mr. Jota. Marquez is one of the few I pegged to light Floyd up, and I have no doubt Pacquiao will do just that.

 

Floyd's arms are 26" Pac's are 25" Only an inch difference. Pac's arm length is actually LONGER than Ortiz, Mosley, and DLH. They just have the longer reach that people like to argue is irrelevant when they match Floyd with Martinez.

 

I love the big time fights, the atmosphere, the crowds, the suspense but only if they live up to the hype... Morales vs Barrera, Hopkins vs Trinidad, Hoya vs Trinidad or vs Mosley, Mayweather vs Gatti, Nunn vs Toney, SRL vs Hagler, SRL vs Hearns, Duran vs SRL, Ali vs Frazier or vs Foreman or vs Norton, Larry Holmes title defenses, Mathew Franklin vs Marvin Johnson, Julio Cesar Chavez vs Meldrick Taylor, Corrales vs Castillo, Toney vs McCalllum, Andries vs Harding, Holyfield vs Tyson, Holyfield vs Bowe trilogy, Holyfield vs Lewis I and II and so on...

 

actually emmanuel's arm length is only 23" based on the most recent measurements that they use now

so emmanuel actually has shorter arms than Oscar, Corntiz, and Mosley

Oscar = 24"
Corntiz = 24"
Mosley = 25"
emmanuel = 23"

 

lol right?