Mayweather was faster than Pacquiao,He's not heavy-handed. It's wierd.

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  1. boxinger

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    "Pacquiao has some pretty good punching power. He has some different hitting power. He's not physically strong, but he hits pretty good, like he has a good snap or something. He's got something in his hands where he just, pop, and you can wobble. He can hurt you...I don't know how he throws his punches, but he does something where when he lands, it has a different impact. I mean, I get hit by, even now, I get hit by bigger guys all the time and there's no dazing, I don't wobble, I don't do any of that stuff. I don't feel like I'm getting ready to wobble or anything. With Pacquiao, he just touches you and you're already wobbling. It's not like he's heavy-handed. He's not heavy-handed. It's wierd. It's the wierdest thing," stated former welterweight champion Shane Mosley, who spoke more about the experience of facing Manny Pacquiao. Check out what else Mosley had to say as he discusses Pacquiao's strengths, sheds light on his game plan going into the fight, and much more.

    BT: Looking back before the fight, you obviously had one idea of what it would be like, but what did you take away from that fight with Pacquiao?

    SM: Pacquiao has some pretty good punching power. He has some different hitting power. He's not physically strong, but he hits pretty good, like he has a good snap or something. He's got something in his hands where he just, pop, and you can wobble. He can hurt you.

    BT: Is it because he's got so much speed or is it a certain way he throws his punches?

    SM: It must be the way he throws his punches. He's not that fast; he's not faster than ever. He has decent speed, but it's not like, "Oh my God, this guy is so fast." I felt Mayweather was faster than Pacquiao. Pacquiao threw more rapid punches, but Mayweather was faster. I don't know how he throws his punches, but he does something where when he lands, it has a different impact. I mean, I get hit by, even now, I get hit by bigger guys all the time and there's no dazing, I don't wobble, I don't do any of that stuff. I don't feel like I'm getting ready to wobble or anything. With Pacquiao, he just touches you and you're already wobbling. It's not like he's heavy-handed. He's not heavy-handed. It's wierd. It's the wierdest thing.

    BT: I think you see that in all of his fights, like when he fought Marquez the first time. It's like a surprise, I guess, when he lands that left hand.

    SM: You feel the impact of his punches and when you feel it in your glove, the impact is not hard. You're not like, "Oh my God, he's hitting hard. This is a hard punch." Only when he lands on your face is when you feel like you're getting dizzy. Either it's some kind of Chinese breaking bricks kind of thing, the 1-inch punch, or whatever, something like that, or it's something else. It's something different. It's not the same traditional punch that's strong. It's not the same. It's not the pressure of the impact. It's not like, "Boom! Oh ****, this ****'s hard. Damn, he's hitting hard." When somebody gets a punch on you and you catch it on your glove, you're like, "Damn, that was hard. He hits hard. He's heavy-handed." He's not heavy-handed. That's what throws you off. He's not heavy-handed. It's like a snap at the end or something. It's like, POP, and then you fall down and then wobble or something; it's like the wierdest thing.

    BT: When you fought him, it looked like you guys were going in with the right game plan, but after the knockdown and because your foot was messed up, you weren't going to get a chance to execute it. Do you think...

    SM: (Cutting in) The thing was I couldn't load up or anything like I wanted to because the minute I loaded up is the minute I would have got knocked down because he was throwing short punches and his short punches was hurting me. He didn't have to load up with any hard shots. Maybe it was because my foot was messed up over here and the achilles, I couldn't come off of it the right way. I couldn't come off of it fast enough or I couldn't bring no explosion off of it when I was loading up. That just threw me off and I couldn't do what I need to do in the fight. The only thing I could've did was wait for him to overcommit and clip him when he overcommitted, but he respected my power so he never overcommitted. If you noticed in that fight, he never overcommitted in the fight. Like, he never just went balls out. Some people wanted to say it's because he had compassion for me and he didn't want to knock me out, but that wasn't the case. The case was that he knew, like even with Oscar, he knew, like, "Oh ****, this guy's got power to catch me, so I don't want to get caught or clipped or something because I know he can clip me."

    BT: A couple times during the fight, Brother Naaz made the comment that you guys just gave someone else the game plan on how to beat Pacquiao. Do you think in some ways people can look at your fight with Pacquiao and take away some of the things you wanted to do in there and have success against him?

    SM: The thing with the plan and the movement, it nullifies his offense a little bit, but it also nullifies your offense as well, you know what I'm saying? Like, when you move a certain way, I couldn't even come back and do my offense because I couldn't explode back off on him, but what it was doing to me was when I moved that way, to the left and kind of turned him, every time he was getting ready to punch, I turned him, I nullified my punching as well, so I couldn't really come back and punch like I wanted to unless I moved the way that I like to go so I can punch. I mean, it's a good game plan if you're going to be moving and stuff, but it's kind of hard to punch off that movement, if you will, for both guys. I couldn't really punch off that movement like that. I mean, somebody else might have a different style and throw a looping left hook and hit him behind the ear or something and land an uppercut, but I just couldn't do it because my footing wasn't right. You know, both feet were; one had blisters and one I had popped the achilles in January. People don't walk in a year when they get their achilles popped; I had to fight in four months with a popped achilles that had to be surgically repaired in January.
     
  2. IRONFIST178

    IRONFIST178 Member Full Member

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    Where u get this man???
     
  3. boxinger

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    fighthype
     
  4. Scrap21

    Scrap21 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac's speed and angles is what ****s people up. They don't see where Pac's punches are coming from.
     
  5. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    thanks for sharing this, box. its a good read :good
     
  6. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Power is speed x force. They're both fast but they have different styles and body mechanics so they utilise different parts of their body differently when throwing their punches.
    Pacman is aggressive and sits down on his punches more, he relies on his legs and his core so he provides more force with his speed, resulting in more power. Mayweather is mostly a counter puncher, he doesn't really sit down on his punches or use his legs the way Pacman does, he usually just twists from the waist because with his style he doesn't have the time to bend his knees and explode into his punches like Pacman. He still uses his legs when he punches and has good power when he needs it, his legs just contribute a different % in a punch compared to Pacquiaos.

    Then there are issues with tendon stiffness and compliancy, muscular strength, a whole lot of factors.
    It's not weird in the slightest, what would be weird is if you found two boxers exactly the same. Boxers and boxing fans are often very simple, there is nothing sinister going on and Pacman isn't superhuman.
     
  7. EDDIE FUTCH

    EDDIE FUTCH Push nose into the brain Full Member

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    Man, I love Shane...wtf was he fighting with a blown achilles? (Rhetorical question!)

    2 thumbs up for mentioning the 1-inch punch (Dim mak; Touch of Death etc) :)
     
  8. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I saw exactly what Shane said here. He had some many openings to threw the left hook at times when Manny would rushed in, but he basically just threw his jittery jab and Manny walked right through it unfazed.
     
  9. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    Emmanuel Stewart has said this about Pac...he punches through his opponents.

    Manny commits to hurting his opponents. Most fighters are ready to retreat the moment they throw a punch. They pull back a bit just in case they miss so they can go back on defensive. Manny follows through on his shots and commits to his punch. That's what makes him so dangerous. There are fighters with the same mentally, but they lack the speed and skill to be as dangerous as Pac.

    I believe that's why Mosley feels it differently. Manny isn't doing anything special with his fists...he's just wants to hurt you more.
     
  10. oskar

    oskar Active Member Full Member

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    Some people always say Pac doesn't have boxing skills nor technique but on the contrary Pac got serious boxing skills & technique but purely focused on offense... Watch how Pac pivot on his foot when throwing a punch putting his whole weight behind it in an instant & he can also throw that punch while moving. Try also to re-watch Pac vs De la Hoya in slowmo you can literary see that punching snap Mosley was talking about...
     
  11. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Put this guy in the ring with Paulie Malignaggi, it will blow his mind how much harder Pac hits being similar speed.
     
  12. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    He probably has good rigidity upon impact. Kind of like the analogy of flail vs bat impact forces. One hits with brutal force and pushes the face/head, the other hits with a brutal pop and transfers more energy/ momentum inside the opponent rather than through him.

    I remember Bruce Lee talking something like this with his 1-inch punch which is funny because Shane mentions that, and it makes sense considering the "dizzyness" that he's talking about; I've read elsewhere that the 1-inch punch ruptures the internal organs which sounds pretty similar.
     
  13. EDDIE FUTCH

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    ^ “Well, a karate punch is like being hit by an iron bar— whack! ... “A kung fu punch is like being hit by an iron ball swung on an iron chain—WHANG!"
     
  14. Boxmaster

    Boxmaster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pressure points. It's not how hard you throw a punch but where it lands.
     
  15. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    It annoys me a bit when they think they created the game plan to beat him because pac couldn't land his punches.

    They just ran all night to a position where neither fighter could land punches. The only game plan they created was one that makes a fight that should be exciting, very boring.

    I imagine its the way he snaps the punches. In the gym your taught to snap the punches when your a couple of inches from your target. And i guess he does it better than anyone right now. But yes of course he's not heavy handed. He's coming into the ring around 146/147. Lightweights sometimes come into the ring heavier than tht.