Why did Heredia disclose how he cheats???

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  1. yagbols

    yagbols Member Full Member

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    On the flip side, maybe Arum doesn't want Pac to fight Floyd. This drug testing saga is the only thing that holding the fight. I don't believe that they really agreed on Floyd's term on drug testing. If they agree to test with JMM, they have to agree with Floyd's as well. Arum will not have that; at least, not yet. He can still make tons of money out of Pac for Bradley and winner of Marg/Cotto bout.
     
  2. yagbols

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    And you think USADA will tell them how they gonna do the test or what they are looking for? They exist to catch the cheaters, not to ensure that nobody tests positive.
     
  3. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I only saw bits and pieces of 24/7, here and there. I did see Heredia and I did see JMM go into the hyperbaric chamber. Did they show the doctors or doctor, again I don't know if they are PHDs or MDs, that guided him how to put on the weight gradually, without sacrificing speed?
     
  4. yagbols

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    USADA will not test the supplements the athletes are taking; they will test the athletes. And most conditioning coaches and/or nutritionists won't disclose the supplements they are using. That will be the equivalent of giving your secret formula away.
     
  5. yingyang

    yingyang Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Heredia special undetectable PED's = NSAC, USADA test NEGATIVE

    Malinaggi should hook up with heredia as his conditioning coach.
     
  6. hooligan

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    heredia says his special mix is 100% undetectable.....your statement just got shutdown.....

    and for someone who refuses to take the test means he is clean, since he didnt know that he was subjected to undetectable substance....thats based on the premise that illegal substances nowadays cannot be detected by testers (according to heredia)....
     
  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont buy that.......I dont think the lab results would have come out till after the fight anyways.

    ......and even if the testing results can be done overnight, they could have set it up for the results of the prefight testing to have been released till after the fight.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    How did I just get shot down. I pointed out that all an athlete can do is be willing to test. There's not much more he can do in this situation to prove he's clean.
    If the PED's are undetectable their undetectable.
    .....though I dont think it really works that way.
    I know I've read from Victor Conte's quotes that you have to do it a certain way, and that random testing athletes certainly helps as some detterent.

    There's a quote from Conte that I read where he said he gave Mosley his last dose of PED's for his fight against DLH 3 days before to ensure a negative test result.
    Its been said what Conte was dispensing is undetectable yet he himself instructs Mosley to stop 3 days before the fight.
     
  9. yagbols

    yagbols Member Full Member

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    And if promoters have control or influence over the testers, then no amount of tests can clean the sports.
     
  10. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    if you are juicing, and you know it cant be detected....you will have the confidence to say, "okay test me or what have you" (just like what jmm been saying, defending heredia)

    but honestly, tell me...jmm is more suspicious now than pacquaio based on heredia's past dealings???
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Personally I dont even view Pacquiao as "suspicious".....
    .....I view him as an outright cheat and the reason is the way he handled Mayweather's request for PED testing.

    Listen now, it not just that he did'nt want additional random testing, its the way he handled the whole situation all the way up to his failed interview on ESPN trying to explain away why he would not randmomly test and sticking his foot in his mouth in the process.

    Marquez at this point I view as I would Andre Ward, Nonito Donaire, and Andre Berto, who are involved with Victor Conte.

    Let me add this.....JMM said he did'nt know of Heredia's history with PED's.......
    I'm inclined to believe him.
    ......if Marquez hired Heredia for the purpose of cheating, you would think they would have hid Heredia from the camera's, have a different trainer helping Marquez out with his workouts while Heredia was behind closed doors man'ing the and controling the PED's being administered.

    Not only did Victor Conte know full well who Angel Heredia was, but the group of FBI agents who brought down Balco knew of Heredia as well.

    I would think that under the notion that Heredia was going to give Marquez PED's and Marquez knew of Heredia's past, Marquez would have discussed with Heredia the possibility of being outed if Heredia was focused in the media as Marquez trainer.


    When Marquez was asked if he knew of Heredia's past by the media he said, " I found out about it like you guys. All I can say is that I'm training clean and whats in Heredia's past he's going to have to deal with it.

    ......Interesting that there was'nt a bit of hesitation or look of worry in Marquez voice or demeanor when answering questions on Heredia.


    Me personally I have no idea whether JMM hired Heredia for the purpose of cheating or not, but I can say that Marquez unlike Pacquiao when discussing the issue of PED's has handled it with calmness and unworry.


    I think Marquez must be thinking right about now that he psychologically has a leg up on Pacquiao, its them led by Ariza that have pointed out to Marquez looking physically big and strong and are obviously worried and commenting about it.:yep

    A good chunk of the battle is won outside the ring by out psyching your opponent.:deal:bbb
     
  12. tinorknitz

    tinorknitz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    divac just doesn't know when to give up. :lol:
     
  13. Relentless

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    2 years ago on the beandependence day marquita got his ass beat by floyd, this saturday he's about to get retired.
     
  14. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    heredia said it himself..he has 20 drugs that are undetectable...

    so are you saying you will let your mom or sister hangout with a known ****** but came clean and swore he lives a clean life now???? :patsch