So what steroids is Marquez partaking in?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nub Nubly, Nov 12, 2011.


  1. mtz

    mtz Active Member Full Member

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    normally these guys dont take the top secret cocktails yall think about (even though they might during actual camp) they just take the same old **** during their off time and TRAIN when camp rolls around they clean up from anything "detectable" and continue.... why do you think floyd trains so HARD in his off time, normally they just run and stay in shape, **** most fighters gain 15-25 pounds but not all some train harder that for a fight... :p

    lol thats why some people cant fight how they used to 2-3 times a year they need time...
     
  2. SweetHome_Bama

    SweetHome_Bama Loyal Member banned

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    Marquez won't be at a disadvantage from the increase in muslces, that is what the EPO and iron blend is for, Angel loves making up new blends to help his people out. Chemistry is his passion.
     
  3. mtz

    mtz Active Member Full Member

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    thats a good thing considering ariza is doing the same
     
  4. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Either it's a mid life test ester, like test enanthate, or a tren derivative, like the clear was.
    If he' s on gear. Still they have to keep his test levels below 1000 ng, so if he is on gear, then he's probably taking a lower dosage, similar to say 350 to 400 mgs a week of test. He's not taking HGH, unless he started his cycle say at the very minimum 10 months ago. EPO, I know nothing about.
    That said, I really don't know if he's on gear/EPO or not. The only reason to suspect is that yeah, his physique looks like a lean/bulk cycle equal to hard training plus supplementation of some sort, that and he worked with Heredia.
     
  5. Nub Nubly

    Nub Nubly Member Full Member

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    That's a good point; blood doping would mitigate some of those risks.

    Above poster, I also agree that a lot of juice could be used in the off season and then cut out closer to "competition." Old college buddies did that for their NPC cards.

    It is also assumed that people who use steroids look "sick big." In reality, it is the average calvin klein model who is doing cycles. The pro bodybuilders not only build muscle and target training differently, they also use about 100-300k of steroids a year as confirmed by old interviews with Flex Wheeler who went Natural when he was retiring from the sport.

    It is VERY hard to be natural at the highest level of competition. However, boxing, at it's fundamental does NOT require the explosive muscles that MMA fighters need. It's "Hit and don't get hit" and therefore, guys like PBF, are most likely NOT using substanes; or at least not nearly as more explosive fighters like Pac, Mosley, RJJ etc. Muscle on boxers is not always a good thing.

    I just think it's absurd to think high level athletes are not cheating the system. I would. If 20 million dollars is on the line and I am expected to perform a certain way..I will do what I need to do within "reason."

    How interesting is it that when an athlete is found to be unfaithful; the public is much more willing to forgive. However, if an athlete is being "unfaithful' with banned substances; he is vilified. Both are forms of cheating. However, the cheating used for sports is simply a result of the demand from the PUBLIC to perform:
    1. Baseball- Smaller strike zones, etc
    2. Boxing- smaller rings to KO-boos from the crowd for "boxing."
    and the list goes on...
     
  6. the_truth

    the_truth Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Funny how quickly Ariza knows anything about steroids. The Manny camp likes talking trash but then are quickly the first to cry foul and file lawsuits when it comes their way. Im shock Manny hasnt file a lawsuit against Marquez for the I got rob shirts:lol:
     
  7. brando18b4h

    brando18b4h Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with Nub Nubly, Marquezs traps, shoulders and arms are huge. No way can you get like that at his age in that amount of time without some help from modern chemistry.
     
  8. Nub Nubly

    Nub Nubly Member Full Member

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    But why I am intellectualizing on this forum is absurd. I have a Pac fight and JDS Vs Cain fight all tonight. Broke, down and out... but doesn't get any better than this.... due to the fights on TV tonight. Enjoy the fights.
     
  9. Nub Nubly

    Nub Nubly Member Full Member

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    Ahh yes; I forgot about the 1000 test level cut-off. Though I am not sure if that figure is correlated due to ng Vs mg. The conversion would be an absurd equation.

    If people really look at his shoulders in particular, they are just much more muscular than previously. He is NOT training "traps" for a fight. This is merely the result of probably doing a lot of sparring and speed bag alone. Simply exercises result in muscule and musculoskeletal change.

    Again, I could care less if he is abusing juice or Manny for that matter. My ethics are different than some other people as I don't have a moral righetousness to what is "right" per say. I believe athletes are the entertainers to the public and they will subject themselves to sustain at the highest level. There is no moral code that affects me or rubs me the wrong way if they "used."

    So to calm the fan boys....chew on this (will be hard with Nub thinking)...
    I DON'T think FMJ is using and I want him to beat Pac; based on reasons discussed previously. If he fought pac and LOST..AND Pac was USING steroids...I would still hand Pac the Win.....OK...stop staring at your screen puzzled. Continue..
     
  10. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The ******ed thread starter talked about "turning muscle into fat"

    This is impossible and anyone who mentions such a thing knows nothing about the body let alone steroids

    what a fool!
     
  11. mtz

    mtz Active Member Full Member

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    i could give two ****s about peds they help but dont make or break a fight, YEARS of "clean" boxing have proven that people can have stamina for 12 rnds without peds and its all a dance in the end
     
  12. bigdog2001

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    He is on a designer peptide. You can get the benefits of peptides such as ilgrf3 and hexarelin and many many others. There is alot of variations of epo. He could also be blood doping.

    I think this whole anti drug thing is riduculous. Allow people what they want to take to even the playing field. Threfore if someone whoops you because he took epo and you didn't then it's your fault for not taking epo as well instead of someone whooped you because you had not idea epo existed and never considered it because you trusted your opponent,.

     
  13. boxr

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    Nice thread title..."partaking"...whoa, for a minute there I had a picture of the Last Supper and Marquez sitting right beside Manny and Judas, "partaking" in something fishy...

    That's really some bible lingo you got there going, son.

    "Wherefore, if steroids make my brother to offend, I will eat no steroid while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend." (God, please don't strike me with a lightning bolt.)
     
  14. DrMo

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    Multiple & complex combinations of untracable drugs, just like so many others

    (Pac not Juan)
     
  15. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Umm no that would be ariza "suggesting" JMM has beefed up more than he usually does. It's the ******* trainer that started all this. I say the only way this fight is even close to competitive is if JMM uses some kind of PEDs, to offset the supposed 'god-given talent' of the greatest cherry-picking cheat boxer of all time.