Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Exactly!

You're out of line Boga, I did'nt even bother reading your lenghthy post.

Lets get real here and see the true facts of what Pacquiao has become.

Be real here. Pacquiao is a physical marvel that feasts on opposition that stands right in front of him.

Use what is called "BOXEO" and do so at a high level.
.....and Pacquiao might as well be thrown into that ring with blinders on.
This was so evident last night against Marquez.

Dont come in here pretending that the Marquez we saw last night was anywhere near prime.
He was well past it, and although not slow, he was nowhere near as quick or fast as he'd been in his previous fights with Pacquiao.

Marquez boxed the pants of Pacquiao being sneaky quick, and by using his vast superior level of ring boxing skill to make Pacquiao look like a rank amatuer.


You're a fine poster Boga, but enough of this ****.
Skillwise and knowing how, Mayweather is on the same level Marquez is.......and to boot he has all the physical advantages over Pacquiao that Marquez does not have.

Mayweather-Pacquiao is a joke of a matchup.
....for the sake of you *******s, I would believe that there is'nt anyone on team Pacquiao that reallly wants that fight.

I view Pacquiao vs Mayweather as such a mismatch, I think looking as terrible as he will be if he fought Mayweather, Pacquiao whole body of work will be tarnished if he fights Mayweather.

With all the physical advantages Mayweather has over Pacquiao, I'm convinced Pacquiao would'nt lay a glove on Mayweather and Mayweather would toy and hit Pacquiao with shots at his leisure.

Mark this post if it ever happens. Pacquiao will quit mid way through his fight with Mayweather and with good reason.......Pacquiao will be made to look like a little child in there trying to learn to walk.



How anyone that seriously knows boxing can seriously make a case for Pacquiao to even be competitive against a near prime Mayweather is well beyond comprehension.atsch

 

Great analysis Bogotazo, thx!

:thumbsup

 

Floyd can throw a 3 punch combo on Manny and be out of there all day and night dude. Floyd will control the range against Manny and will destroy him if and when they fight.

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[/QUOTE] Floyd 1-2 will get there faster and when Manny over extends like he is in this clip he will get ****ed up even more.

 

He stepped to the side of DLH in the gif you showed...He shows plenty of lateral movement.

 

Also to touch up on another point these stans always pointed out was Pac's overwhelming punch output, in which was nullified by Marquez. They dont seem to bring that up much I see...You're going to need more than a high punch output to beat Floyd in which some people seem not understand.

 

I'll give you a shitload of credit for arguing that JMM and Mayweather are different types of counter punchers, this doesn't make a case for Pac beating Floyd. Like not even in the slightest. The key isn't the counter punching as much as it is Pac's horrible footwork. As much as his hand speed is a strength, his overall athleticism hurts him in the footwork department. he was crossing feet up and lunging against JMM like he was against Moseley and like was against Cotto. He has not figured out how to adjust to a fighter stepping back. Morales took JMM's blueprint and beat him. JMM beat him at least twice. Pac is also still susceptible to the straight right which Mayweather will pick him apart with.

So yeah saying Mayweather isn't JMM, so don't use this fight as an argument for Mayweather beating him. that's a fair argument. The problem is, there is a shitload of evidence outside of this fight that say it too. And I say that as someone who doesn't hate Pac at all. He's just clearly not on the same level as Floyd. Pac will always have a puncher's chance. But there is no way even the most ardent Pac fan bets on him to beat Floyd

 

Ok he has better hand speed but it's not the handspeed that bothers Pacuqiao in the first place. Manny couldn't the cut ring off against JMM yes, but Floyd doesn't move around the ring like JMM. JMM is always moving, circling, pivoting / dipping/ducking , whereas Floyd is a lot more stationary, he plants his feets when he gets in a defensive mode, and he always like to stand right in front of you . It's a key difference. It's constant lateral movement that gives Pacquiao problems and Floyd doesnt move like JMM or take advantage of those angles. He likes to fight you straight up and pick you off. Watch any of his fights against southpaws, and he's never moving laterally or side to side , he's standing in front of you. When he moves it's simply to get out of the way or get to new position then he just resets and stays in front of you. It's the way Floyd fights, but it would give Manny more opportunities then JMM gave him, whether you believe it or not.

 

Pac doesn't need to throw combos because Pac's defense is leaky and he's such and accurate and quick puncher.

 

Divac (and any others), if you don't bother to read my post, don't bother to post in the thread. I'm here to talk boxing, not justification for people's favorites.

This is technical talk and so far nobody as given me anything more than a one-liner to prove that Marquez's elite lateral movement, in-the-pocket counter-punching, moment-to-moment counter-punching, and fluidity of strategic adjustment are something Floyd can incorporate into his style after fighting a straight-lined fight for practically his whole welterweight career.

 

Time to destroy this post *cracks knuckles*

You arent a Marquez fan. You're a *******.

They both use there opponents aggression against them. Marquez tends to throw combinations after he sets his opponents up, Mayweather picks his punches more carefully, but at heart they are both counter punchers, with Mayweather being superior in virtually every area to Marquez.

No it isnt. Marquez fought prolongued periods of last nights fight just taking a step back for every forward step Pacquiao took. Marquez beats Pacquiao because Pacquiao consistently runs into Marquez jab. Marquez doesnt even have a hard snapping jab, he just throws it out there more as a blunt weapon to stop Pacquiao's aggression and set him up for the right.

Pac has fast feet but his footwork is awful. He is constantly out of position and off balance. Mayweathers positional footwork and quickness is much better then Marquez.

Utter nonsense. Mayweather showed it in the Hatton fight and Baldomir fight. He typically shows this against opponents who are relentless pressure fighters. Against the fighters Mayweather has been fighting lately, guys who basically try to box with FLoyd, i.e Ortiz, Marquez and Mosley he has had to employ very little lateral movement if any because his defense is enough to carry the day. There is a reason Mayweather haters used to refer to him as Mayrunner. Because he was quite adept at boxing off the back foot. INfact Mayweather is much better fighting backwards then Marquez is. As he showed nonwhen he beat Marquez up at many points fighting going backwards, whereas Marquez could not offer any decent aggression against Mayweather similarly going backwards.

Oscar had 3 inch height advantage over Mayweather. 10lb weight advantage. And it was Floyds first and only fight at 154. Also add into the fact Oscar has one of the greatest jabs in boxing history where Pacquiao barely has a jab at all.

Nonsense comparison. Not only is Oscar far more skilled then Pacquiao and bigger then Pacquiao, his defense is far better. He wsa picking off Mayweathers punches making it difficult for Mayweather to mount an offense.


Pacquiao on the other hand defense is basically his face. Ala busted ear drum vs Cotto. Beaten housewife face vs Clottey. Ect.

ROFL.

Marquez was ducking and slipping PAcquiao's punches with ease. Mostly using his upper body with very little footwork. Ala.

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Please what brilliant footwork is Marquez using to dodge Pacquiao's hilariously unbalanced shots. So you are saying these shots that Marquez easily dodged will hit Mayweather? You must be joking son.

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Please tell me. IF Mayweather made Marquez look so amatuerish offensively. Why would it be any different for Pacquiao who is far more crude then Marquez? Why would Manny's poor footwork confuse a master like Floyd?





Lets see.


Mayweather is faster then Marquez

Mayweather is stronger then Marquez

Mayweather is bigger then Marquez

Mayweather is more skilled then Marquez

Mayweather is faster then Marquez

Mayweather superior defensively. Infact comparing the 2 defensively would be like comparing Jake Lamotta to Sweet Pea. Yet Pacquiao made MArquez look like sweet Pea in there fight.


And you think because Mayweather doesnt circle that this gives Pacquiao an advantage over Mayweather he didnt have over the smaller, less skilled, less powerful, less fast Mayweather?

Stop it kid.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

There are certain style that can trouble Mayweather, and those are one's who are big and tall and have a reach advantage like DLH.......and those that fight at the very closest of punching range and do so at a high level, say a JC Chavez.
A fighter like Pacquiao does neither.

 

You and the thread starter.....bravo!

 

Firstly can you define the parameters of parallel movement if your going to have this debate?

 

Or we can look at the obvious. If Manny is so elusive with his footwork and Floyd goes back in straight lines then why is it JMM couldn't do ANYTHING to Floyd? Floyd DOMINATED Marquez.

I argue the 'defensive' fighter argument. I call it 'calculated and timed offense'. JMM didn't need to be the aggressor, the foolish Pac did that and JMM used it against him. Floyd does that even better. Hatton basically knocked himself out by running into Floyd's check hook. Floyd was using Ortiz aggression against him.

The outcome will be the same. Pac cannot box with Floyd so he will try to be aggressive but that's a mistake against a technical boxer. Floyd will pot shot him all night and may even KO Pac when he lunges in like an amateur.

In any case, most people would agree PBF is a more technical fighter than JMM. Pac can't handle sound, technical fighters. Of course you will disagree but it's obvious in his three close wins to Marquez if you remove the ******* glasses through which you argue.