Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

You clearly have no idea what your talking about and missed the point of the OP's argument completely. Posting a video of the Haton fight to compare Floyd's movement to JMM atsch .

All your argument boils down to is this: "Floyd is faster, better defensively, and a better counter puncher then JMM so he beats Pacquiao even worse." It's a simpleton argument that gives no real in depth analysis.

The OP explained perfectly why JMM and Floyd's styles are different, you just dont have the brain to comprehend it.

 

Pac wil be more active and missing more while FLoyd will throw less but will be more accurate.

May boring UD

 

yes it does

Only because they are based on the same styles both are counter punchers

and Floyd has showed us time and time again that he is the best counter puncher alive

not only that he's bigger and stronger than JMM at WW also faster w/ better timing

Pac Vs May would be a stylistic nightmare for Manny

 

after watching this fantastic fight I have decided, and joined the throngs that believe, that Pac/May is a boring fight with Floyd dominating and bullying Pac into a UD cards win or a KO, the style/skill level is just so much better. Thanks for the great post!

 

You're right! It does NOT indicate that Pac loses to Floyd. It indicates that Pacquiao will get thoroughly outclassed, handled easily, toyed with, and possibly stopped. Let's get one thing clear here. This is no triangle theory. This is based on the fighter's ability to get the job done. Mayweather would sense Manny slowing down, cramping, or having any kind of issue that bothers him and he will exploit these things. Anyone who agrees with this post don't know **** about boxing. Manny was supposed to handle JMM easily. He did not. He never was able to before and Floyd Mayweather is a nightmare to even think about, let alone the fight actually taking place. It's ever so clear that Manny's not on that level at all, it is clear now. He's a solid fighter but not on Mayweather's level. Let's make the fight happen anyway. Everyone knows what will happen.

 

Re-watch Floyd vs Hatton? That's how he will handle Pac.

 

I showed the Hatton fight to show that when Floyd needs to he has plenty of lateral movement. Against brawlers Floyd is fully capable of getting on his bike. He has fought more boxers lately and thusly doesnt need to get on his bike. For instance he fought Castillo on his bike, yet fought Ndou and Corley laterally. Dont you think there is a reason for that?

Nope. Been saying for the past 2 years Pacquiao has no answer for right hand dominant fighters. He has no answer for any fighter that uses his own aggression against him. He has no idea how to cut off the ring, he has no idea how to stop the lead right hand from landing with impunity.

Its been said countless times. No need to go into depth why Pacquiao struggles with right hand dominant counter punchers. The evidence is there for all to see.

No he didnt. All he said was Marquez uses more lateral movement and throws more combinations. Neither of which is why Marquez consistently whips Pacquiao's ass.


Please tell me, how does Pacquiao close the distance against Mayweather when he couldnt against Marquez? How is he gonna trouble May like Oscar did with no jab?

 

They are different. Floyd's style leaves him less open for any counter punch. Floyd's style he is always in a position to punch or clinch if need be. Floyd's style is based off of making his opponents lunge in off balance or just keep them off balance all together(with Pac he does himself in here). What you see in the clever clips posted by the poster that is smarter than you, knows more boxing than you and is probably just better than you, is Mayweather making Marquez off balance after his second punch and making him miss wildly. Marquez is an accurate puncher. Pac is more wild, more off balance and less accurate. Pac was outboxed by Marquez. It was not some mystery. He just fundamentally outboxed him and did not make the past mistakes. Mayweather outboxed Marquez. Not in some unthinkable out of the ordinary kind of way. Just b/c he is the better boxer. If you bring a fight to Pacquiao you are going to get your ass whooped. If you box him like Marquez did you have a chance. Mayweather would never brawl with Pac.

 

Actually I think the difference between the two is this - JMM makes small movements at the right time, slight step back, to the side etc. It means that the opponent never gets a chance to set there feet and get the punches off then he counters when they miss.

Floyd however controls his opponents position rather than respond to it like JMM. He then unloads with the counter when the distance is right and he has them in position. Also in the pocket Mayweather has a more counter in - situ response than slip and counter if that makes sense.

 

One big difference I see between Floyd an JMM is that Floyd doesnt load up like JMM did on his 2nd and 3rd punches. JMM has scary KO power and imo Floyd not. Not due to physical ability but due to their styles. Floyd commits only if he is 100 % sure he is save.

This ability made Pac very cautious vs JMM, which will not be the case against Floyd. PAc will have nothing stopping him vs. Floyd.

Floyd is clearly technicaly better then Pac. Pac might be one of the few fighters who can due to his stamina and punch frequence actualy overcome Floyd's defense. This might be the only reason why they are cautious of Pac.

 

I think people need to go back to the DLH-Floyd fight. DLH couldn't use the jab because Floyd took it away and countered the mess outta him and even lead at times just making Oscar look foolish.

Marquez does trade more and can switch from aggressive-counterpuncher to a more patient one simultaneously but he is most effective while his opponents is approaching him. Floyd can't switch like JMM can I agree with you but he can lead with ease as he did against Mosley & Ortiz. Pacquiao offers much more movement then they did but Floyd is too versatile for him. Styles do make fights and Floyd would not need to use the JMM strategy he has his own bag of tricks. Floyd will be too much for Pacquiao regardless.

 

WTF? Dude Mayweather hits harder that JMM. Manny will be very cautious against Floyd. Floyd's shots will come lighting fast and accurate. Floyd has the best foot work in the sport hands down. His foot work alone will give Manny hell. Plus Floyd can out muscle Manny on the inside. It will be a runaway victory. 10 rounds to 2 and by the 4th round the HBO crew will be saying that this is just a typical Mayweather fight and the crowd will boo bc they will not understand what is happening. Manny couldn't handle Marquez and he damn sure won't handle Mayweather. Mayweather may even knock him the **** out lunging in.

 

Yeah, I hear all that but the fact of the matter is that Floyd dosnt have to fight like Marquez to beat Pac. When Marquez attacked, he did it in a straight line. The only punch he threw at an angle was that uppercut that he stepped to left with. He hit Pac in the back of the head cause Pac bullrushed him and he stepped to the side and threw the hook ( which is the normal thing to do ) Pac was just moving so fast that the hook got him in the back of the head.Marquez fought Pac the only way he could and was very successful. However, Mayweather can beat Pac in two or three different ways, simply because hes more intellegent (ringwise) than Pac. You cant draw up a game plan for Mayweather because he is an artist and he creates a new masterpiece for each fight. Pac does not have the creative ability to beat the man.:bbb:bbb:bbb

 

I love the detail in your OP Bogo, nice to see people backing up their points whether I disagree with them or not.

so are you saying manny wins against floyd or what?

 

Look, I think Floyd wins. The fight clearly hurts Pac stock in his chances versus Floyd. At the same time, your GIFs do an entirely disservice toward yourself and his point. Floyd's not countering Marquez once in any of those GIFs. He's much more defensively oriented than Marquez, as Marquez looks for the counters more and looks to set them up in a different dynamic. At the same time, Floyd is faster, better, and more skilled in a general sense than both Marquez and Pac... so ultimately he probably would and should win. But it's a different dynamic.