Pacquaio vs Marquez III Scoring

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  1. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Nacho told Marquez to not engage all night. While you watch the replay listen......................it ruined the fight. Marquez did not fight like a warrior last night and Pac should have simply jumped on him and overwhelmed him as usual.

    PACQUIAO MARQUEZ

    578 TOTAL PUNCHES THROWN 436
    176 TOTAL PUNCHES CONNECTED 138
    30% PERCENTAGE CONNECTED 32%

    304 JABS THROWN 182
    59 JABS CONNECTED 38
    19% PERCENTAGE CONNECTED 21%

    274 POWER PUNCHES THROWN 254
    117 POWER PUNCHES CONNECTED 100
    43% PERCENTAGE CONNECTED 39%

    14 AVG. LANDED PER ROUND 11
    49 AVG. THROWN PER ROUND 36
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    It's undoubtedly the hardest of the three to score on a round by round basis. There's no doubt on that. The sentiment seems to be Marquez won his rounds more clearly, and thus deserved to win unless you thought every close round went to Pac. I thought the 1st & 2nd fight were far more definitive in the scoring.
     
  3. Main Events

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    Partly Pac's mistake also. He played into JMM's style. It's hard to beat JMM on a chess match. Pac should have gone to his old guns ablazing ways. All-hell-break-lose-ill-break-your-skull kind of fighting. I think he has lost the fire. Time for gayweather to jump on him.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I've watched and scored the fight 3 times and scored it differently each time. Here's the 3rd and final round by round review of the fight with brief notes on my thoughts of the round.

    RD1 - 10-9 Pac (Very close. Body work for Marquez, but Pac got in with the right & left).
    RD2 - 10-9 Marquez (Clearly a Marquez round. Pac virtually did nothing).
    RD3 - 10-9 Marquez (Close, but felt Marquez had better quality).
    RD4 - 10-10 (A very close round. Pac touches Marquez more, and lands some quality shots. But Marquez has good body work, and a nice round hand to finish the round).
    RD5 - 10-9 Marquez (Clear round, Marquez schools him).
    RD6 - 10-9 Marquez (Clearer round than in previous view. Good body-work and good quality)
    RD7 - 10-9 Marquez (More Marquez quality. Don't be fooled by pit pat and flashy footwork).
    RD8 - 10-9 Marquez (Somewhat close round. I've scored it differently on each view. Marquez had better quality of work, but Pac touched him at times).
    RD9 - 10-9 Marquez (Pac touches Marquez up, but Marquez clearly clearly has the better quality).
    RD10 - 10-10 (A very close round. Hard to seperate. A generous tie for Pac if anything).
    RD11 - 10-9 Pac (I thought this was one of Pac's clearest rounds, but it is still close. I think he out-worked Marquez but it's close).
    RD12 - 10-10 (Close round, Pac's desperate and had activity but did not sure either edged the round).

    Rounds 2, 5, 7, and 11 are the most definitive rounds. Rounds 4, 10, and 12 are the closest rounds in the fight IMHO. Rounds 1, 3, 6, and 8 are the next closest rounds.

    The first fight I watched on Primetime. The second fights I watched on HBO in HD.

    What's changed in each scoring? I first scored Round 1 a tie, but gave Pac the round in the next two viewings, although it's surely a close round, but I think Pac justifiably edges it. Round 6 has went from a Pac round, to a tie round, to a Marquez round. Clearly this is a very close round, perhaps one of the closest of the fight despite me not listing it as one of the closest rounds in my analysis based on my 3rd viewing. Round 4 has went from a Marquez round to a 10-10 on my 3rd viewing. Round 8 went from a Pac round to a 10-10 round to a Marquez round on my 3rd viewing. Clearly it's another close round, seeing as I've scored it differently on each time. Round 9 has consistently stayed a Marquez round, despite it being judged as a Pac round from the majority of ESB. Don't be fooled by the flashy foot-work and ALA Sugar Ray pat shots. Round 10 was a Pac round the first time I scored it. The second and third viewings had it a 10-10 round. Round 11 was a Pac round, although it looked closest upon the 3rd viewing. Round 12 went from a Pac round to a 10-10 round on both the 2nd & 3rd viewing.
     
  5. PetethePrince

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    1st scorecard - 115-114 Marquez
    2nd scorecard - 118-114 Marquez
    3rd scorecard - 118-113 Marquez

    The 2nd & 3rd fight were watched on HD. It's clear Marquez won, and I honestly believe that a robbery is justified. You have to be generous to give him a draw, you have to be corrupt to score it 116-112 Pac.
     
  6. wad ikalam

    wad ikalam New Member Full Member

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    I think the decision is right, Manny won, Juan should show aggressiveness to prove he really deserve to win, but what he done is just counter punching, he's the challenger and therefor he needs to prove more he needs to totally dominate the champ. Other says he won 3 times or 2 times to Manny but did he put Manny into canvass as what Manny did to him?
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    No, taking the belt from the champion is a myth in boxing. You don't score really close rounds to the champion just because he's the champion and not the challenger. That's mythology, and it certainly didn't apply when Pac took Marquez's 2 titles the last 2 times they fought.
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I was able to be more dispassionate upon second viewing. The rounds were close, but I feel Marquez did enough in a lot of them. I even tried to be generous to Pac at times, I felt so bad. Here's my card:

     
  9. wad ikalam

    wad ikalam New Member Full Member

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    Manny clearly wins on the last 2 fight with Juan, Juan was knockdown on their previous fight, got 3 times on their first fight, and since Juan was Champion that time, instead of declaring Manny as winner the decision was in favor or Juan which is draw... and for the second fight it was really close but the judges gave the victory to Manny for scoring a knockdown... for these previous fights Manny really dominate Marquez to get the title. Honestly for this 3rd fight, I think this is Draw which still in favor of Manny... Juan didn't showed any dominance except for his great counter punching...
     
  10. Powerman55

    Powerman55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    OH MY GOD. You didn't watch the fight.
     
  11. Beaker300

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    I cant believe it!!!! 3 fights, 3 robberies. I feel so sorry for Maquez - he is the victin of yet another political decision
     
  12. SM2011

    SM2011 New Member Full Member

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    this is how it ended up on fightscore:

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  13. MarioBrothers

    MarioBrothers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    looks to me like you were scoring even rounds to get that score for pac, the problem is judges rarely score even rounds or don't score even rounds.

    a 114 score for pac means you gave him 7 rounds
     
  14. boxing.great

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    if you have inconsistencies in your 3 perceptions. Then how can you make a clear valid justifiable consistent statement? I watched it more than 3 times and i live with my perception of having consistent 115-113 Pacman.
     
  15. Thomas!!

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