Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Good points.

1-This is probably Mayweather's best bet if he goes on the offensive. If he wins, he'll probably do it this way, but that's assuming he's not put on the defensive by Pacquiao's aggression early on in the fight, in which my semi-prediction that Pacquiao can change the angle and get shots off before he can respond in mobility. My point is just that it's not something Marquez does, and the dynamic is different.

2-DLH had a considerable size advantage, but he didn't exactly use it too much. He pressed Mayweather with unimpressive assaults and was still able to neutralize him somewhat. Hatton, while losing every round, was able to make Floyd fight his fight and use a series of quick foot movements to close the distance without Floyd being able to work while changing the angle. My point isn't that Floyd is flat-footed or can't step around a fighter-that's absurd; he circles from the ropes back to the center all the time. My point is that he doesn't do it in the middle of the ring while advancing or countering; he prefers to be in front of his opponent at an even angle. Pac's jab isn't the key to this fight anyway, and Roach has stated this.

3-Floyd is good against the ropes, he's the better infighter than Manny, which is why Manny can't try and swarm him. He has to do business as usual, but a bit better than usual too. Change the angle, land an awkward combination, restart and keep using your feet to shuffle back and forth and be unpredictable in order to build a lead while Floyd tries to figure out the rhythm.

4- Again, Floyd can take control of the center, but it's rare that he changes the angle in an exchange and fires from the sides of his mislead opponent.

I think some of you guys (not you in particular) are missing my point- my point is not that Pac will definitely beat Mayweather, but that the dynamic is totally different and the way Floyd has to control Pacquiao is not similar to the way Marquez handles Pacquiao in the ring.

 

I appreciate the objectivity :good Seriously, I'm just trying to point out nuances of the sport other people don't readily see (or admit) and I get labelled a *******. A *******! Of all things when my laptop wallpaper was a collage of his face getting hit repeatedly by Marquez for God knows how long.

I've said too much haven't I.

 

1. Pacquiao does become limited to fighting in straight lines himself, but IMO only when his opponent is constantly shifting the angle. Mayweather isn't really that type of runner or an in the pocket counter-puncher who pivots out and changes the angle. He's ****ing brilliant at doing it when you're right in front of him, but is he going to take Pac's angles away from him? Is he going to turn left as often as Marquez did? Is he going to pivot out and bounce back and forth after every assault? That's the part I don't see happening. What you get about clinching makes sense, but that's assuming Floyd can control Pacquiao from his usual stance, which I think is an assumption we can't rely on.

2. I don't think Pac will or should move Mayweather to the ropes. He's not going to win by trying to pressure him. I mentioned Oscar myself to show that Floyd could have made things easier for him as the naturally smaller man with quick feet by constantly rotating and taking away the angle like Pacquiao does to his own bigger opponents and how a guy like Hopkins neutralizes Pavlik.

3. Point 1 again. His footwork's great, but I don't see him turning Pac all night. Pot-shotting and clinching makes more sense, but even that's not a given.

4. Right, Floyd doesn't really ever have to do this, but it seems certain fights (Hatton, DLH) would have been much easier for him in the first half if he had hit on the move. Floyd simply never hits on the move anymore, and so far the only people to have beaten a prime Pac (Morales, Marquez) have been experts at doing so, so he'll have to do something else to manage the angles Pacquiao tries to assault with. Mayweather can get away with it in every other fight because of his skills, but this is one guy with the footspeed and agility to make it difficult for him moving side to side.

Again, not saing he wins, but I don't see Floyd winning by doing what JMM did because he never really does .

 

Good clips. I think Pac weaves out of a taller man's combinations easier, since Marquez can widen his stance and achieve a low center of gravity to get him under and over at the same level in the pocket. Thanks for contributing :good

 

I noticed he was doing it a bit more during Ortiz. Since I have this theory I was looking close. That pivot especially sticks out in my memory (friend texted to point it out afterwards too, lol). Very efficient. I think that Marquez however is more herky-jerky. Pacquiao never knows when Marquez is ging to come forward (nearly every time he does he neutralizes Pac going backwards in a high-guard with little response) or set a trap. He was countering Pac's counters in the pocket.

When you see the two fight, they are ALL OVER the ring. You can argue Floyd won't need to do that, but not letting Pac close the distance is essential to escaping his head or body blows. Floyd might be a bit more predictable in this regard. It's not so much a matter of ability to move lateally, but of consistency and a tricky feint-filled style VS a smooth style in the application.

Also, Marquez closes the distance by putting two good steps together while coming forward and weaving inside. If Mayweather starts to come forward (not a bad strategy), I think he'll be doing so trying to be accurate rather than really aggresive. JMM blends the two in a way that would trouble Pac more IMO.

2. He's going to come forward, but I don't mean he's going to swarm him and try to back him up against the ropes and wail on him. He knows he's not Julio Cesar Chavez or something. I've heard Roach talk about pressure, which could work in spots, but I'm thinking feint him and turn him and jump in and out in the center; Roach talks about setting traps a lot too. Backing him up is a good thing, but feinting until Mayweather is on the ropes and then trying to beast out is just going to get him countered in exchanges and owned.

3. Like I said, he can do it, but it's in the application; I think Marquez is less predictable in whether he's coming forward or going backwards, which he can shift within a round, whereas Mayweather goes into efficient "modes" in whole sections of a fight.

4. Exactly my friend. A subtle but key stylistic difference; difference being the key word I wanted to bring to the attention to others who seem to like equating all counter-punchers. As I said, styles, not labels, make fights.

Why can't more Floyd fans be like you?