Why 'P4P' Rankings are.....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by jakelamotta, Nov 14, 2011.


  1. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    skewed: Less risk if you fight less, less fan/media criticism. Where is the consideration of a boxer's activity? Lets look at Mayweather since Jan 1 2008:
    Marquez
    Mosley
    Ortiz


    Pacquiao since Jan 1 2008:
    Marquez
    Diaz
    De la Hoya
    Hatton
    Cotto
    Clottey
    Margarito
    Mosley
    Marquez


    9 fights to 3, that seems real fair.... what do you guys think?
     
  2. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    Reason why it's hard to put Floyd at #1 despite Pac struggling vs. Marquez. He is just too inactive.
     
  3. pichuchu

    pichuchu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    umm are you arguing that mayweather shouldnt be included in the p4p rankings??
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    What's complete and utter bull**** is your argument. Are you really going to tell me that if it weren't for p4p rankings that Mayweather would be more active? That's essentially what you're saying. It's a completely idiotic argument.
     
  5. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm stating the unfairness of ranking two fighters, one of which fought 9 times in the previous four years, against another that fought 3 times in the previous 4 years. Ranking based on this method encourages inactivity, its pretty cut and dry actually.
     
  6. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    I thought P4P were reflections on recent performances and who beat whom(did it do it right?).
    Right now we should have a vacant nr 1 spot. Lets wait for a while to see who can fill it up.
     
  7. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did I say that? I said very few people on here seem to not give a flying **** about inactivity. Inactivity = bad for boxing period. If you go out and take more fights you risk having a bad outing and being shunned by fickle fans, like what seems to be happening on here.
     
  8. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly, yet for many Mayweather defaults to number 1, which favors inactivity over fighting anyone and everyone, and taking fights.
     
  9. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    So then you're basically saying that Mayweather has been inactive in part because of the p4p rankings. Why don't more fighters do this? Fact is, p4p rankings have **** to do with how active or inactive a fighter is. If you want to say p4p rankings should put a heavier emphasis on activity, that's one thing. However, to say that p4p rankings encourage inactivity is just ridiculous.
     
  10. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    From my perspective p4p ranking for many encourages inactivity in order to minimize risk of criticism. i.e. the more you fight the more you expose yourself to risk.

    What you said I highlighted and is my point exactly. I do not see this being taken into consideration whatsoever.
     
  11. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    always will be! with that said ring is still the MOST LEGIT!

    PAC LOST HIS TITLE..FLOYD AT THE 1 SPOT PAC AT THE 2 SPOT.
     
  12. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thank you-- this is an example of what I am talking about. :deal

    i.e. all that is wrong with p4p and this type of mad logic.
     
  13. Dr Obnoxious

    Dr Obnoxious Sesame Street Heavyweight Full Member

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    If they structured it like the FIFA rankings used to be a few years back then it would be better. Only results from the last 4 years count. And your best 4 results are used in each year encouraging boxers to be active.

    Year one , this year
    Best 4 results are submitted at 100% scored
    You get 3 pts for a KO win, 2 for a pts win, 1 for a draw and none for a loss
    Manny is ranked as 1000 points as he's no 1
    Floyd is 999 and so on.
    If you beat manny by KO this year you get 1000 x 3 x 100 = 3000000 pts
    Next year this score will get down graded to 75%
    the year after 50% and the final year 25%.

    Cuts all the subjectiveness out of this. The only problem I can see is that we'd have to explain it real slow to our American friends

    You could do this in each weight division, then give bonus points for fighting up or down weights for the P4P ranking.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    That's fine. But surely you see the difference in saying activity should play bigger role in p4p rankings rather than saying p4p rankings encourage inactivity and are bad for boxing. Those are two completely different arguments.
     
  15. jakelamotta

    jakelamotta Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I edited the first sentence to emphasize the current p4p standard's general lack of encouraging activity/ taking activity into consideration.