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The Ring Keeps Pac P4P#1

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tito44 Boxing Addict Full Member

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tolindoy said: ↑

ok here we go again:

-HBO is bias
ESPN dont know **** about boxing
-compubox is not credible
-RING is full of ****

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The espn part is a fact.

tito44, Nov 15, 2011

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I think they laid it out and justified it objectively.

PH|LLA, Nov 15, 2011

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ripcity said: ↑

Pacquiao should have been #2 behind Mayweather before the fight.
I have not seen the fight so I can't commit on it.

If I agree with the result than I'd move Pacquiao to #1. If I think it was a far decision, meaning a close win for Marquez or a draw than I would hold Pacquiao at #2. If I fell Marquez and only Marquez deserved to win, based on compartive results by both Pacquiao and Mayweather at 144 against Marquez. Pacquiao would slip a spot.
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only Pac fought Marquez at 144

PH|LLA, Nov 15, 2011

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Earl-hickey said: ↑

Who is surprised

Who is No. 1 pound for pound?
That question became particularly difficult to answer after
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s controversial majority-decision victory over
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on Saturday night in Las Vegas.
The knee-jerk reaction was this: Pacquiao, No. 1 pound for pound, gave a sub-par performance (for him, at least) and should have to pay a price.
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was on Pacquiaos heels going into Saturday, just waiting for a slip-up. And thats what happened on Saturday. One could argue that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao atop the rankings, particularly because more people than ever believe hed beat Pacquiao head to head.
Another option we considered was to declare the No. 1 position vacant and demand that the principals fight one another to determine the pound-for-pound king, which wouldve been the easiest way to deal with this dilemma.
In the end, though, we decided to leave the pound-for-pound rankings as is for one simple reason: All but one member of the Ratings Advisory Panel who provided input and the entire RING Editorial Board believed it was the right thing to do.

Consider:

Pacquiao wasnt fighting a chump. Marquez is the No. 5 fighter in the world pound for pound. And Pacquiao beat him, at least officially.

A great fighter shouldnt necessarily be demoted because another great fighter has his number. We didnt think less of Muhammad Ali because he had trouble with Ken Norton three times. The same with Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler in their series.

A fighter shouldnt necessarily be demoted because he has an off night, if thats what it was on Saturday. Sergio Martinez didnt look great against Darren Barker but no one clamored for him to be demoted.

Pacquiao has accomplished more than Mayweather in recent years. The Filipino is 9-0 against big-name opponents since the beginning of 2008; Mayweather is 3-0 in that time.

Mayweather isnt exactly coming off a sterling performance. He looked good against Victor Ortiz for three-plus rounds but scored a knockout when Ortiz wasnt looking.

And you cant say that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao because he defeated Marquez more easily. That doesnt take into account styles and strengths. Plus, Pacquiao beat Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya more easily than Mayweather did.

All that said, we also feel we should add something here: Pacquiao survives as THE RINGs No. 1 fighter by a hair. Should he stumble again or Mayweather turn in an outstanding performance, a new king probably would be crowned.

And we still hold out hope that theyll decide this once and for all by facing one another in the ring.
One more note: Marquez moved up in weight yet still fought on at least even terms with the No. 1 fighter in the world, which might merit a bump up in the pound-for-pound ratings under certain circumstances. However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.
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LMFAO..SO WHEN I SAID THESE PAST 2 YEARS THAT FLOYD WAS FIGHTING "THE # 2 LB 4 LB FIGHTER" IN THE WORLD I WAS TOLD THAT DIDN'T MATTER...

U *******S ARE PATHETIC...USING THE SAME REASONS AS TO WHY I SAID MARQUEZ WAS A GOOD WIN FOR FLOYDrofl:roflatsch
sdsfinest22, Nov 15, 2011

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Does anyone read this **** anymore anyway? Ring Magazine are as biased as the sanctioning bodies

MoneyMark, Nov 15, 2011

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people said it didn't matter cause JMM was moving up from 135 to 147. That's the part you don't get.

Nonito is a top p4p fighter but if Amir Khan beats him it won't matter cause he is a JrWW fighting a Jr Featherweight.

PH|LLA, Nov 15, 2011

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PH|LLA said: ↑

only Pac fought Marquez at 144
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Yeah true, in fact I would say those 2 lbs above the agreed limit of 144 that Mayweather weighed in at were the reason Mayweather was able to edge Marquez 12-0.

By the way, how did you score the Marquez-Pac fight ?

Bill Butcher, Nov 15, 2011

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Bill Butcher said: ↑

Yeah true, in fact I would say those 2 lbs above the agreed limit of 144 that Mayweather weighed in at were the reason Mayweather was able to edge Marquez 12-0.

By the way, how did you score the Marquez-Pac fight ?
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not sure I see your point. I was just rectifying that Mayweather did not fight JMM at 144, only Pac did. Mayweather was unable to make the weight.

I haven't watched it in it's entirety yet.

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boxrec removed floyd as the #1 welterweight as well...manny back on the front page

iceman71, Nov 15, 2011

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SI.com (sports illustrated) Just voted FMJ to the #1 spot on their P4P list. Pac at #2

casian72, Nov 15, 2011

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the ring goes by what is official. Pacman won so they are keeping it official.

MAG1965, Nov 15, 2011

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Pimp C said: ↑

My rankings
1.PBF
2.JMM
3.Martinez
4.Pac
5.Donaire
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What a crock of ****.

Pacquiao wasn’t fighting a chump. Marquez is the No. 5 fighter in the world pound for pound. And Pacquiao beat him, at least officially.

A great fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because another great fighter has his number. We didn’t think less of Muhammad Ali because he had trouble with Ken Norton three times. The same with Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler in their series.

A fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because he has an off night, if that’s what it was on Saturday. Sergio Martinez didn’t look great against Darren Barker but no one clamored for him to be demoted.

Pacquiao has accomplished more than Mayweather in recent years. The Filipino is 9-0 against big-name opponents since the beginning of 2008; Mayweather is 3-0 in that time.

Mayweather isn’t exactly coming off a sterling performance. He looked good against Victor Ortiz for three-plus rounds but scored a knockout when Ortiz wasn’t looking.

And you can’t say that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao because he defeated Marquez more easily. That doesn’t take into account styles and strengths. Plus, Pacquiao beat Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya more easily than Mayweather did.

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MAG1965 said: ↑

the ring goes by what is official. Pacman won so they are keeping it official.
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Dawson was the official winner against Hopkins. Hopkins still has the Ring belt.

BigReg, Nov 15, 2011

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errsta said: ↑

Floyd reclaimed the #1 P4P spot the moment he publicly un-retired. The guy never lost it in the ring.
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pipe wrenched, Nov 15, 2011

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It's simple - JMM is better than MP, therefore he should be ahead of him in the P4P rankings, behind FM.

hennyguzzla, Nov 15, 2011

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