Pacquiao: "We cannot always win fights in one-sided fashion.”

It does matter, because all things being equal(in this context, punches landed) historically speaking judges will score rounds to the more active guy. All this talk about being objective, that observation is as objective as it gets coz this is generally true for all major fights against puncher vs boxer. So unless JMM was landing counter punches with frequent regularity and outlanding Pac by a wide margin in every round (which was no where near the case) u have rounds that were judged under the 'forementioned criteria. Makes sense doeasnt it? One guy pushing the action, against one guy avoiding the action.....who do u think the judges will favor? If that doesnt make much common sense to you, then theres really no point in debating it any further.

 

I'd call it a text book conspiracy theory.

A financial interest is pointed out. Thus it is a given that Arum took the enormous risk to bride the judges.

And since the USA military industry had a lot to gain by a war in Middle East, they must have been behind the terror of 11th September. Right?

 

I agree there is no point debating when you think Jmm was avoiding the action where do you guys come up with this stuff? Of course no one is denying Pacman comes forward and aggressor, but everytime he was met with solid 3-4 punch combinations. There's a reason why your in the 20% my friend and it's not something to be proud of. There's a reaspn a 4th fight is most likely to happen and why even Roacj says Marquez deserves a 4th fight. No one knows Manny like Roach and if even he said Marquez deserves it at least he has common sense and knows what it is. Commn sense tells me Williams didnt beat Lara Williams being the agressor but according to you Williams won. Common sense tells me you dont have common sense especially when your in the 20%. Not even 50% bro. Thats sad you trying too hard.

 

word the **** up on that ****

 

So basically you're saying JMM was landing 3-4 punch combination EVERYTIME Pac came forward? WTF...do you know what common sense actually mean. Did you score the whole fight based on a couple of rounds...or should I say a couple of moments? In between those moments were long spells of bqckpedalling and just plain not doing ****. The whole point I'm making is that JMM DIDN'T land combinations in round by roun regularity...he didnt do enough no matter how brilliantly he looked in flashes. Read my post, I said all things being equal in punchstats...a round TENDS to be given to the guy who pushed the action. 30 punches a round dont entail pushing the action. I also said this was an objective observation based on watching prior big fights ie; hoya-trinidad, bhop-calz. This is a ****ing trend with judges....so u expected the same kind of criteria in another close fight.

Thats common sense...its also called deductive reasoning. Then you come back to me with Lara-Williams...*****, an isolated incident which btw was overturned does not constitute a trend. If this was a blatant wrong decision in which pac was outlanded, outpunched and outeverythinged and still got the decision than I'll be the first to say Pac lost. Obviously that wasn't the case. What u got was a close fight in which JMM won more decisive rounds and Pac won more of those "close" rounds...but at the end of the day its the one who won the most rounds that wins the fight.

And GTFOutta here with yor damn poll and learn to think for yourself.

 

Then by pacquio's logic, Mayweather has lost a fair few fights because of his counterpunching style, & low punch output? Manny needs to study the fight objectively & try to make ammends, before the Mayweather fight if he is to stand a realistic chance!

 

PAC is always confusing efforts with results. Nobody wants to hear that I dd my best ****. Him saying marqueZ waited to counter translate to I'm not use to not being in the ring with a tailor made punching bag. To say Marquez just sat and waited means that pacman also just sat and waited, considering that he is an offensive dynamo.

The only thing tht I agree with is that he can't always put on an explosive performance and shouldn't have to be held to that standard in determining of he did well or not

 

What criticism? ........ hows about Pac being tagged a one-dimensional-walk-forward-one-trick-pony-and stationary-midget-ass- punching bag!

I'm sure I've read **** like that since the fight :-(

I enjoyed it all bar the robbery part obviously. The fight was intense, I agree with everything you say about Pac and his performance although I feel he could have worked the body more than he did.

I'm not in a rush to see Pac/Floyd and would rather see Pac/JMM IV thankyouverymuch!:good

 

I think PAC feels he did win this fight. His effort is always full tilt in his fights and he always does his very best. But the rubber match with Marquez was closer than most expected.

His comments are more out of frustration as he's not use to the critisim he's getting. Of course JMM is NOT going to change his style to fight PAC...he's going to change his game plan and training.

PAC saying JMM was "running" or "Waiting" is his way of taking a swipe at JMM who has been very vocal in saying he was robbed....looking to sue or seeking an "over turned decision". It's just not realistic given the fight was so close.

 

From...good posters?

I feel Pacquiao loses either, but would be much more competitive in Marquez IV (and might even reap the rewards of a "friendlier" style again...nahmsayin? :hey - whereas Mayweather is an automatic loss)

 

Pacs stock is going down, and Marqueez proved he is indeed an excellent fighter. I cant see Pac defeating Floyd after this, in fact I think his health is best off without trying.

But even so it seems like Pac outlanded Marqueez. Nothing more, nothing less. Regardless of style you cant expect to win if you dont land more.

 

I get why people hate *******s but never understood why he is hated as a boxer by some, always tries to give a good fight. Even if you dont like his style its not a very valid reason.
I get the most hate nowadays comes from mexicans and floyd fans, you would think the main target would be bob arum and the judges though.

 

Nah, probably not but I haven't seen much praise, which is probably understandable but I predicted he'd be more cautious and patient in this one, and I thought that would pay-off for him. :scaredas:

I've always had Floyd down to beat him and hoped I'd be wrong on that one.

As for another fight with Marquez .... would Pacquiao be more aggressive? (surely!) ...... will Marquez be even stronger at the weight now? (I think so) ......... will it be a classic (Oh yes!) :smoke

 

:rofl:rofl Counterpunchers can't win rounds. They have to throw over 30 punches a round and push the action or you can't say you won. Either that or they have to counter you each time you press the action since somehow pressing the action means you win the round.... :yep

 

Not strictly true what if you land 300 more punches but get put down every round? not what happened obviously but interesting don't you think?