Boxers with overrated power

Nothing wrong with asking a question :good

No to Donaire, Martinez I'm not sure anyone things of as a massive banger but he has a decent punch.

 

You realise that above average doesn't mean the hardest hitter they have faced? Just better than most of the guys they have faced.

You seem to be struggling with the word average.

 

That's the argument against all this steriods nonsense. And the Mayweathers saying he only started doing things late on. "You don't suddenly become good at 25" garbage line, that they always go on about.

Pacquiao won his first title at 20 years old against Sasakul who only had one defeat at the time.

By the time he was 22 years old, he was a 3 division champion and all his 3 title wins were by stoppage or vicious beatdowns. Not against stiffs either. He was a huge underdog against Ledwaba and we don't have to say anymore about Barrera. Those opponents he won the titles from had a combined record of 123-5-1.

When he reached 25 years old, he had already beaten an ATG who was the man in his division. He had a record of 29 stoppages from 37 fights in 3 different divisions.

This is what annoys me when the Mayweathers keep going about Pacquiao suddenly becoming something late on in his career, and no one checks them with facts. Every interviewer just lets it slide.

 

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I plan on doing others. Possibly another preview when there's a big weekend on, 2-3 December or something.

Like looking for a shadow in a pitch black room.:deal

Ah, I see.:good I'd consider Donaire more of an explosive puncher personally.

 

I thought you meant "above average" in the world class sense....

Does he have better power than most heavyweights in boxing, sure

However, at world class, he is average in this respect

Does this clear things up?

 

Not for me because I'd still disagree. A few recent 'world class' heavyweights have been:

Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Tomasz Adamek
Ruslan Chagaev
Nikolay Valuev
John Ruiz
Samuel Peter
Alexander Povetkin
Eddie Chambers
Evander Holyfield

I think it's pretty fair to say that Haye hits harder than most of them.

 

I still don't agree. Break down the best 10 boxers each of Haye's Heavyweight opponents have faced. Did he hurt them more than 5 of those?

I said compared to the current division i.e. relevant guys his opponents have been facing. I can't be arsed arguing over semantics anyway, I think he's above average, if you don't, fair play.

 

Yes :good

 

Makes no sense. If the majority of the opponents they fought were not World class....

What sense does it make to compare them to a World Class Boxer like Haye?

 

I'm quoting my own post here VK because I think it sums it up. Which of these guys are bigger punchers than Haye?

Wlad and Sam Peter is probably it to be honest.

 

Bit of a stretch, really. MAB was saved by his corner because although Pacquiao was landing with regularity, he wasn't able to remove Marco from his senses. The Junior Jones knockdown was far heavier than anything we saw in this one.

 

Not only does it make sense, you're 100% spot on with it too. It's guys like Donaire that carry their power as they move up through the weights, that explostivity(not a word, but you all know what I mean) works in your favour in that regard, rather than say the thudding kind of power a guy like Brandon Rios brings, which may very well be less prominent upon his acsent in weight(whenever it may be).

 

do you think Haye hits harder than Sam Peter Roe?

 

OK, rough approximation of world class i.e. guys that might get a world title shot not elite.

Valuev: Ruiz, Holyfield, Chagaev, Barrett. Haye hurt him the most.
Ruiz: Valuev, Jones, Tua, Holyfield, Chagaev. Tua hurt him more only.

Carry on if you want, Barrett a couple have finished earlier, Harrison I guess you could say Haye is his only world class opponent but he finished him quicker than anyone.