Who has P4P the greatest Jab of all time?

This is how I know that you're a couch expert, one of those fools on esb that never boxed a day in their lives but feel free to pass judgment.

Haye picked the ONLY good strategy against a guy like that. Keeping his hands at his waist allowed him to be completely relaxed and concentrated, with an unobstructed view. It's a dangerous game but when you're at your peak of speed and reflexes, this stand is hands down the best to avoid getting hit. Keeping your hands high in a block or running around is much more tiring. Plus he had the freedom to throw a punch as soon as Wlad would lean forward after missing a shot (something he wouldn't be able to do as fast if he kept his hands anywhere else), which kept Wlad all tense and unable to commit to barrages of shots, instead forcing him to pick 1, at most 2 shots at a time and jump back.

Wlad's jab is an offensive weapon and as such it's one of the best. For that purpose, its p4p #1. However, for stopping opponents during an attack or for checking the opponents, there have been better jabbers out there.

 

Larry Holmes. anyone who says Wlad really hasn't watched a lot of boxing.

 

Absolutely correct ! Vlad`s jab is of the push variety. It doesn` have half the snap or speed of Holmes. Anyone who can`t see that doesn`t know boxing...Holmes could land two jabs to one of Vlad`s.

 

I always liked Whitaker's the best, though if I had to pick one guy to beat another world class fighter with the jab alone, I'd probably take Monzon for that.

 

Holmes or Ali.

 

This is how I know you're a MASSIVE Klitschko fanboy.

Haye fought the same way he fought his entire career, hands down, chin out, inviting the lead from his opponent. Don't pretend it was some unique strategy dreamt up for the Wlad fight.

Look, have a sit down, open a window, take a few deep breathes and RELAX! No one is saying Wlad has a bad jab at all, but p4p number 1 offensive weapen?

It's not so much of an offensive weapon as much as it is a defensive weapon - a lot of the time he just paws with it, doesn't even use it as a punch. It keeps the distance between him and his opponents and prevents them from closing the gap and getting their own punches off.

However, as an offensive weapon it's extremely overrated - the Haye fight demonstrates how he struggles to land it against an opponent employing basic head movement.

Now, it's all well and good missing that jab against a fighter like Haye with no inside game, but if he was missing that jab against an opponent with good head movement who wants to get inside he could find himself in a lot of bother.

 

Larry holmes

 

You didn't understand what I said. **** Wlad and his jab, this isn't about him. What this is about is that HAVING YOUR HANDS DOWN LIKE THAT IS NOT A DISADVANTAGE. It's actually the best thing to do when you're at your physical peak, as it ALLOWS YOU TO THROW A PUNCH IMMEDIATELY and is possibly the BEST BET against a guy with a weak chin and you're faster than the guy you're fighting. Unobstructed view and complete relaxation go a long way in a 12 round fight.

You make it sound as if Haye made it easy by holding his hands loaded up at his waist. I am pointing out an obvious lack of knowledge of boxing on your part.

 

I don't know but Ike Bazooka Quartey's was the best looking.

 

Thomas Hearns. He beat Duran,Hill and Benitez with his jab. Swelled up Ray.Most people pick the heavyweights, but those guys are slow. Anyone with a half way decent jab will do well.

 

You're not making a lick of sense...

 

Holmes -- amazing. Best I've seen.
Hearns -- 1A to Holmes

De La Hoya -- damn good jab when he used it. An underappreciated punch IMO.

 

Holmes
Hearns


Ali
Liston
Whitaker's

 

Winstone is somewhat revered over in Merthyr Tydfil where he was raised, there is a statue of him in the centre, along with Johnny Owen, and eddie thomas, surprsingly though, no Jimmy Wilde! Shocking... But yeah man, I knew Winstones nephew, real nice guy, has tourettes actually! And he's a pretty handy amateur fighter. HW was an honest hard working fighter, who lost a a bunch of fingers on his right hand, thats how he culivated his left into the best in the world at that time. great fighter, if hed of had the real bang on that right he was missin, he'd of done alot better..

 

Then again he probably would've never worked that left into the tool it ultimately became. It's difficult to imagine him developing such magnificent technical control without something of a hindrance in the power/right hand department.

As an aside, he did use the right as well as he could've. Threw an excellent right uppercut to the body (and head) in particular when set up with the left. Just not a lot of pop on it.