Montreal Duran vs. Hearns (Leonard 1)

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  1. RickyRicardo

    RickyRicardo Member Full Member

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    I always thought Tommy Hearns beat more top notch fighters than Roberto Duran did. He outboxed boxers and outpunched punchers. I would be surprised if Duran wuld win one fight in 10 against Hearns. Duran was always undertrained when he fought some great yet in shape when he fought someone shitty. Got to the point when you knew what he would say after the fight!!!
     
  2. Bogotazo

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    Taller rangier fighters are often cited as the kryptonite to their shorter counter-parts in fantasy match-ups, but one could also argue the opposite just as often. At 147, Hearns would be facing arguably the best most technical swarmer in the business with hard punches at either side at all times. While Hearns was skilled and gifted in many areas, his ability to take a punch (while sometimes underrated) is not conducive to an inside fight. Hearns wasn't terrible on the inside, but it's Duran we're talking about here. The way we imagine him winning this fight is if he can get inside on Hearns, which is ultimately the question.

    Hearns is going to be one of the most difficult opponents for Duran to pressure, due to his lateral movement, elite and consistent jab, and raw power. In my opinion, Duran's best option is to rush him. Hearns is going to win the battle on the outside once he gets into a rhythm, so Duran has to pull a Hagler. His lack of physical strength and durability in comparison to Hagler would be a setback, but his relative height and superior upper-body movement would enable him to bring an inside war to Hearns' body and head through defensive access. Even if Duran doesn't stop him early or hurt him badly and only has limited success getting on the inside, intimidating him from the start with a rush of aggression would likely drop Hearns' output and turn him into a more gun-shy and negative fighter, similar to how we saw him revert in the first Leonard fight. Then at that point would be Duran's opportunity to strike with his alternative boxer-puncher mix of aggression and methodical setup, countering the now less threatening jab with his own right without the same fear of a confident Hearns timing a dangerous right hand behind it. Countering his way on the inside, getting closer each time, Duran could out-hustle Hearns and get a convincing decision or a late stoppage, with some scary moments (even a possible knockown) along the way.

    This scenario, of course, is on Roberto Duran's best possible night, and the event of the Brawl in Montreal showed us just what that really was.

    Could Hearns just end it all with one well-timed right hand? Of course. But we can never count out Duran's inner beast, driving his formidable durability and destructive relentlessness guided by the precision of a mind belonging to a master of his craft.
     
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  3. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It took Leonard a lot of will and hart to beat Hearns. Hearns would beat Duran at any weight they shared.
     
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  4. MoneyFloydMay

    MoneyFloydMay New Member Full Member

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    that is what I think!! And they fought already and Hearns never knocked a guy out that cold before. The question is not will Hearns win this match at welterweight but how long will Roberto last!!! at welterweight I think he could last 5!! He would be more swelled up at welterweight than at junior middle just because he would take Hearns punch a little better and get destroyed on the outside by Thomas Hearns
     
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  5. TAC602

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  8. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns overcomes Duran by a mid rounds kayo after a firefight, possibly getting up off the canvas himself.

    I don't think Duran had the power to simply spark Hearns...Tommy's chin REALLY started to become a liability at 160 and above, and generally, it took a puncher to do it.

    In the end, as great as he was in Montreal, a world class operator didn't struggle to find his chin, and Hearns knocks anybody in the world at 154 or 147 out if he finds that jaw frequently enough.

    Frankly, this fight was far from a defensive masterpiece for Roberto. That turns this fight into a who see's who off contest, and Hearns is the superior, sharper puncher. That's the issue for Roberto in this head to head matchup; his style doesn't allow him to outbox Hearns, and he eventually takes right hands, and Hearns did prove that his right can not only stop Duran, but absolutely KTFO him.
     
  9. MoneyFloydMay

    MoneyFloydMay New Member Full Member

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    that is what I feel. Duran could not win!! It is hard to buy someone saying well Duran beat Lampkin and Dejesus, so we think he can beat Thomas Hearns!!! As we saw that was a different story and level of fighter!!!
     
  10. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do find it amusing that people are comparing the version of Duran that fought Hearns, who you can tell just by looking isn't near the beat that fought Leonard to Montreal Duran. They are totally different animal in more ways than one. If SRL could get to Hearns and isn't the swarmer/pressure fighter/inside fighter duran is... why couldn't Duran? Especially a top notch version of Duran. Duran has just as much power as SRL if not more and as good a chin. The shots he in Montreal from a SRL who was trying to knock him out was unreal... It only took a few of those shots Duran took to beat Tommy and have him no ***** street. I think it's a pretty close fight that can go either.. depending on who enforces their will
     
  11. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was he 2 slow 4 Leonard ?
    (effective) reach disparity is d answer here , not speed
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He was 4 years past the end of his prime and 18 pounds past his best weight when he fought Hearns. Let's remember this. They weren't exactly contemporaries in either primes or weight.
     
  13. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    So many aliases in this thread.
     
  14. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    for once we are on the same page buddy... hey what happened to tam from sherdog
     
  15. Seamus

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