Watching Ward's pro debut is painful

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Orbete, Dec 12, 2011.


  1. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    First of all: I do not hate Ward. I root for him vs. Froch and I find him to be a nice guy outside the ring.
    ...But in the ring he must be one of the dirtiest fighters I've ever seen. I think most of you get sick hearing this over and over again. Ward fans might even curse me :).
    I must say I was hugely disappointed when I (just) watched Ward's pro debut, vs. Chris Molina, in 2004. This guy came after a great performance in 2004 Athens Olympics. Why he resorted to those tactics and why he was so "over-enthusiastic" is beyond me.

    Please watch the fight as it is not a long one and pay attention at the 3:43.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMDguYEUy2w[/ame]

    So then it is no surprise that Ward got this status. There is nothing to debate on that video. He is holding and punching that guy. What it should have happened, IMO, is that the referee should have immediately deducted a point. The fact that he got away with it so many times, but especially the first time, played a huge factor in what he became: an incredible fighter with a dirty attitude inside the ring.

    I still root for him vs. Froch, Dirrell and even a Kessler rematch.
     
  2. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    indeed ward is a dirty fighter , no doubt but I think he will beat Froch because is more agile than Froch .Anyway, Lucian Bute would K.O Ward and thats why Ward won't be agree to have a fight with Bute regardless if he will win or lose the s6 final .
    And yes , american hype , it works :)
     
  3. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I went to 3:43 and saw him get tangled up with the other guy. Is that what you're referring to?

    Are you being facetious?
     
  4. leone25

    leone25 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward is the most overated fighter today. He only win because of dirty tactics
     
  5. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, he got tangled up. Like in holding the adversary's head and punching tangling. A very illegal and dirty kind of "tangle". Even the referee comes to Ward corner in-between rounds and tells him not to pull that kind of tangle anymore.
    Anyhow, it is not the fact that he played dirty with that guy that I wanted to emphasize. It's the fact that he is dirty in his pro debut. It's like he was "born" like that. It was not a tactic that he "adopted" in time but a necessary thing. For Ward fighting dirty is like breathing pure air.

    There is nothing else but a disqualification that will make Ward change his style.
    It's a pity that a DQ hasn't come sooner as now he is unpleasant to the eyes of many. Also, it shouldn't come now, when he has fights much more important.
     
  6. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Ummm,I saw his opponent headbutting but thats about it.
     
  7. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It's as plain as day that the other guy is holding on to Ward's neck, dragging him backwards.

    You must be kidding. You started a thread to point out something that isn't dirty, isn't Ward's fault, and just plain isn't even remotely noteworthy.

    Now I know you're being facetious. Of course, any fair-minded person who watches the tape will realize this.
     
  8. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, right. Talking about different perspectives....
    But isn't it a bit weird that all Ward's adversaries are head-butting, holding and fouling Ward when they face him? I mean people always seem to fight dirty when they face such an honorable and fair-play fighter like Ward. It must be that Ward gives the impression he's too much of a nice guy and people try to capitalize that asap.
     
  9. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yea, Ward is a bit dirty but many respect Hopkins for the same thing. I like watching his rough and tumble break down style combined with a slick outside game. He fights from all distances. I don't like how he leads in with his head, but I can't really judge him against Froch since Froch isn't the cleanest fighter himself.
     
  10. Squire

    Squire Let's Go Champ Full Member

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    Ward should be officiated by that ultra strict ref who did Khan's last fight, but then they're both black Americans so I expect Ward will get away with it
     
  11. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Dude, look at 5 mins, its blatantly obvious the guy Molina is headbutting him!

    The ref even warns the guy
     
  12. Saints Fan

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    whatever man, because Wards style is to rush in you want to call him dirty, please. look up Vito antuofermo and John Conteh is you want to see dirty fighters. Ward ain't one.
     
  13. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Andre Ward is a complete fighter because he uses his head , you can't blame him for that , this man does anything to win a fight ....

    P.S Victor Ortiz must take some lessons from Ward :)
     
  14. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    His style is so **** that HBO dropped him :rofl
     
  15. Bajingo

    Bajingo Boxing Junkie banned

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    Molina killed himself not long after that fight.