Loew on Pavlik: ‘It’s sad in the way it ended’

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  1. RustBelt

    RustBelt The Pride Of Youngstown Full Member

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    http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/dec/10/loew-on-pavlik-its-sad-in-the-way-it-end/

    YOUNGSTOWN

    It’s a matter of trainer-said, boxer-said.
    In an interview with WFMJ Channel 21 sports, Jack Loew on Friday officially announced that he and former middleweight boxing champion Kelly Pavlik have severed ties.

    Pavlik is expected to leave Youngstown for Oxnard, Calif., at the end of the month where he will train with Robert Garcia.“It’s sad in the way it ended,” Loew said. “When you can’t control a fighter outside of the ring, it’s time to walk away. “I have no control of Kelly outside of the ring anymore and I refuse to take the heat for things I can’t control.”

    Loew started training with Pavlik when he was 9 years old, grooming him to be a champion. He captured his first amateur title in 1998 and in 2007 was declared the WBC and WBO middleweight champion of the world when he beat Jermain Taylor. But, with the fame, titles and — of course — money, came greed, power and entitlement.

    Loew said Pavlik’s agent, Cameron Dunkin and Mike Pavlik — Kelly’s father — have pressured Pavlik into dropping him as a trainer for many years.
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    However, Loew says Top Rank Boxing promotions company founder Bob Arum has supported him as a trainer, whereas Pavlik’s camp has made that Top Rank would drop him if he didn’t drop Loew first. Top Rank is paying for Pavlik’s flight, house and expenses while he is in California.

    Pavlik told WFMJ agreed that there was pressure from Dunkin to leave Loew for 11 years, but he remained loyal to his original trainer. He went on to say that leaving one trainer for another really is commonplace in professional boxing and Loew should be more respectful to him for “making him money that he never would have seen in his life.” “I’ve never heard anyone run their fighter down like Jack has run me down,” Pavlik said.
    Communication between the two has ceased and Loew does not consider himself to be a part of “Team Pavlik.”

    Pavlik insists texts were exchanged in recent weeks, but no elaborate meeting or conversation was held.

    “I have no desire to work with Kelly Pavlik anymore,” Loew said. “I wish him the best. If he goes to California ... and becomes the world champion again, then God bless him. We have fond memories.”

    Pavlik’s new trainer, Garcia, was a former champion himself. He won the IBF Super Featherweight title in 1998 and began his training career in the early 2000s. The 36-year old owns the Robert Garcia Boxing Academy in Oxnard where he has worked with 10 previous champions at various weight classes including Antono Margarito who fought for the WBC light middlewight title against Manny Pacquiao on July 23, 2010 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

    http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/dec/10/loew-on-pavlik-its-sad-in-the-way-it-end/
     
    RustBelt, Dec 12, 2011
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  2. Brauer

    Brauer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Has to be sad seeing a fighter grow and then this to happen
     
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  3. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

    COLD-HARD-TRUTH Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pavlik dropping Loew for a real trainer is long over due. This should've happened after his second fight with Jermain Taylor. Pavlik has not evolved at all as a fighter in recent years. Simply telling your fighter to "double the jab, and throw the right hand" every round just doesn't cut it. Had Kelly thrown some body shots against Martinez and had developed some inside fighting ability over the years, he may very well still be middleweight champion of the world right now.
     
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  4. greatone

    greatone Active Member Full Member

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    And that IS the cold, hard truth.
     
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  5. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Double the jab !!
     
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  6. Hecdog

    Hecdog Active Member Full Member

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    I can't stand crap like that. A trainer spends his whole life developing and leading his fighter to a title, then all of a sudden the fighter dumps him and moves on. Crap! There's no loyalty to those that work their ass off and make a lifetime committment to a fighter, and in the end, he gets screwed! Shame on fighters that do that. Show some appreciation and don't dump him like that. At the least allow him to make some big money so that he can take care of himself and his family.
     
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  7. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Too little too late.
     
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  8. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He needs to grow as a fighter. It's got to be tough to sever such a close bond and feelings are bound to be hurt.

    That being said, is Garcia really the right trainer for Pavlik? Most of his guys are come straight ahead and throw bombs types. Pavlik already does that.
     
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  9. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The hell are you guys talking about?
    Loew is no chump trainer.
    And that nob above me saying "too little too late".... what the **** does that even mean?

    Pavlik is and was a damn good boxer. He gave Sergio one of his toughest fights to date.
    He gave Taylor his first loss. Had an all time great war with Miranda back when Miranda was considered a threat.

    You guys don't know ****.
     
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  10. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    whatever the reasons are i love pavlik as a fighter. everybody thought he would lose to miranda. then wat he tore his ass up.. i hope the best for kelly.
     
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  11. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Classy...
     
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  12. RustBelt

    RustBelt The Pride Of Youngstown Full Member

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    He would have beat Sergio if he wasn't in REHAB last 2 weeks of training camp and had to loe 20lbs week of fight!
     
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  13. madmanc3210

    madmanc3210 Guest

    he obviously has been loyal for a long time if everyones been telling kp to drop him and he's only just dropped him.and no doubt loew will have made some big money too and will be better off than he ever would have been without kp.kp needs to get his life back on track and his career,this is a good move for him
     
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  14. Vanihm

    Vanihm Active Member Full Member

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    He already made more money from Kelly than hw would have made from anyone else.

    Jack Loew was a good trainer, but not a great trainer. It's the fighter who has to take the punches in the ring, and he has to look out for numer one. If he really cares for his fighter then he should accept his own limitations (god knows, he has loads of them) and let his fighter try to be all that he can be.

    Greed my ass, stop whining already!
     
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  15. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    kelly wasnt doing so good during a good part of his career. i think he would beat sergio in a rematch. alcohol abuse got to him like it did many greats
     
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