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Do judges see what fans don't or do fans see what judges don't?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Auracle21, Dec 18, 2011.

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Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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Hermit said: ↑

I haven't seen the score cards. Do they give Carl the later rounds uniformly?
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I'm not completely sure about that, but my guess is that they probably would have. The fight was at its most one-sided in the first half. Only when Carl decided to make it dirty and up the pressure, did Ward not look as dominating. So if there were any rounds to award Froch, they would have been from 7 onwards, in my opinion. Because to me it was a case of "Let's give Froch a few generous points, otherwise the scores are gonna' look too ridiculous."

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Its interesting to see how people see things but whats crazy is how different some of the scores are.

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Tranquillity said: ↑

I just think the judges don't want to be seen as too bias and narrow the score card in giving the win to their homeboy. the brit judge knowing he didn't have that problem judged it like it should. no big deal about it.
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I think that Brit judge was seen as the only judge who did'nt need to be bribed.
It happens that being brit did'nt influence his scoring.

divac, Dec 18, 2011

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they see a nice bag of cash from promoters before the fight that we fans don't see.

motownsiu, Dec 18, 2011

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You can talk you want about: Effective agresiveness, meaningfull punches, ring generalship. Punch accuracy, or other things. However, there are no rules in profesional boxing on how to score a round. In the end it comes down to who you think was better for that 3:00. Nothing more nothing less.

ripcity, Dec 18, 2011

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anyone who's been ringside to a fight knows you get a feel for what's going on about 100 times better than watching it on TV. The judges get that even more by being practically on the ****ing apron.

Also, I scored it 116-112 for Ward and could easily see 115-113. ESB is notoriously **** at scoring fights.

PH|LLA, Dec 18, 2011

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PH|LLA said: ↑

anyone who's been ringside to a fight knows you get a feel for what's going on about 100 times better than watching it on TV. The judges get that even more by being practically on the ****ing apron.

Also, I scored it 116-112 for Ward and could easily see 115-113. ESB is notoriously **** at scoring fights.
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If your in the bleachers you can really see a very different fight from TV, in a bad way.

If your ringside your going to have a better view, and you wont have Gus Robinson cheerleading for Ward in your ear.

foggy, Dec 18, 2011

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Judges at the ringside can be bribed by promotors.

Nopporn, Dec 19, 2011

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What Judges and fans see is almost exactly the same. Both sides will see it differently only when judges are bribed.

Nopporn, Dec 19, 2011

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I only gave Froch 2 rounds, and both times I was being generous...and that's from a guy that was rooting for Froch the whole time.

Peril, Dec 19, 2011

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Cableaddict said: ↑

judges see what fans don't:

Big piles of cash delivered to their hotel rooms by the promoter, complete with a little note telling them who should win.
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:rofl:rofl

Vidic, Dec 19, 2011

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one of the judges had carl up after 5 or 6 rounds. that is some ****ed up scoring.

modestbiggles, Dec 19, 2011

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Judges see what fans don't - BACKHANDERS

PowerPuncher, Dec 19, 2011

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i disagree with the above posts that you get better views from the TV. the judges are standing ringside for god sakes. how do you get a better view from TV just because you have the ability to change the angle? even when you watch on TV, changing the angle or play speed can change your perception of the initial action. But you don't score replays or slow motion.

i think boxing is one of the most widely misunderstood when it comes to judging.

1.) effective aggressiveness
2.) ring generalship
3.) punch quality vs quantity

all of the above comes into play and the judging can be totally subjective.

alot of the times fans can get easily swayed by biased commentary on tv, or compubox numbers, or the tv unofficial scorecard. but an example of where the fans can see something that judges won't would be in the peterson vs khan fight.

The layman boxing fan is not always able to assess, for example, the damage that lamont peterson body shots are doing to khan on TV. if khan is sticking and moving, throwing arm punches on the glove - people will say he was controlling the tempo? But if the body shots that peterson landed on khan is what forced khan to get on his bicycle and peterson is the aggressor, perhaps its peterson's tempo and not khan's? khan landed alot of punches in the fight but alot hit the gloves and were not placed. WHen peterson was able to get his punches off, they were landing cleanly and you can see the impact they had to force khan to change his game plan. therefore, judges can easily score the round to peterson based on 1.) effective agressiveness and 2.) ring generalship. at times khan used his speed to out maneuvre peterson, but it was not sustainable enough for him to actually be in control. therefore, many of khan's punches were discounted by the judge based on the criteria of what creates a winning round.

its very normal for fans to get swayed by volume. volume, doesnt mean quality work and this is why you see big controversy in many fights. the controversy is unavoidable but this is why i appreciate guys like floyd and ward bc they set the standards of what boxing should be about when using skills to control the tempo. pacman as a volume punchers still shows that you can throw punches and bunches and still land quality shots.

the judges can feel what is going on with the two fighters in the ring on who is winning the battle and it doesnt always mean the figher who throws the most punches will win.

in ward-froch fight, there were a few rounds were froch started to let his hands go and it forced ward to back up a lot. even though some of them didn't land, it made ward have to wait a lot and change his tempo and to reset before getting quality work. i don't always agree with the judgement as i had ward winning virtually every round, but sometimes there is ebb and flow in the ring that fans on tv can't see....
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Cool story bro, tell it again

Thomas!!, Dec 19, 2011

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i think what most of the people at ringside see is different from what most people at home watching tv see

brickfists, Dec 19, 2011

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