Some of you Bute fans need to start sharing the drugs!

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  1. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't know Canuck was a race? :think:think

    Did I hurt your feelings? Too ****ing bad.
     
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  2. Fightfan of Mtl

    Fightfan of Mtl Bad Intentions Full Member

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    I know your kind of red necks with a huge ego and the feeling that the world revolves around them... I guess you never left your state and live in your mama's basement....but It's in America the best country in the World...yeah right!!!
     
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  3. Exposed

    Exposed *** East Side VIP **** Full Member

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    Well it certainly isn't Canada and your crap load of cheap ass bagged milk. :lol:
     
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  4. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We do have the finest weed in North America.






    And the best at 168!:rasta
     
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  5. m8te

    m8te Oh you ain't know? Full Member

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    canada's not a bad place, i've been to quebec several times, I have friends at mcgill, but let's be serious, america's better in every category accept healthcare. i'll give that to you guys. you've got that sewed up
     
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  6. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't know many rednecks from the South Bronx, when I find one, I'll let you know. :good
     
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  7. RobertV77

    RobertV77 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your jumping to conclusions. He probably just feels he is superior to Canadian boxing fans.

    To get real for a moment if you were in the same room with me and you even started to open your mouth about American flag being hated I would kick your teeth down your throat. Hows that for a tone?
     
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  8. iamtheman

    iamtheman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let's just all agree Canadians are moose ****ing lumberjacks who go oot and aboot playing hockey in the wilderness with beavers and Americans are obnoxious, arrogant, big-headed fat **** trailer trash hillbilly scum.
     
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  9. eazym1979

    eazym1979 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Man i dont like the drugs they like me
     
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  10. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    The funny thing is they all get their drugs administered the same way. Injected from Lucian Bute's ****.

    Keith
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I gather you're a fan of Ward and his style and yet you seem to loathe Hopkins?

    How do you see a fight between Ward and Bute going down, and likewise for Hopkins-Bute? Just curious.
     
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  12. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    I used to LOVE Hopkins. Absolutely love him. then as age got him he turned into one giant *****. Things got a little rough for him the in the Jones fight, he pissed himself all over the ring. The Dawson fight was a pure disgrace.

    He has turned into a ****ing clown.

    As for Ward-Bute, I think Bute has a chance to win for sure. I like BUte as a fighter. I hate his dumb ass fans. No boxing knowledge at all, just a love for a fighter because he's from the same country as them. Pure ignorance.

    Bute is sneaky with his punches because they come fast from a low angle. However in order for them to fire off like that, he has to drop his hands. Low hands against a fighter with superior handspeed like Ward, presents a risk.

    Bute's only chance is a ko, or he hurts Ward bad enough in a round to discourage him for letting his offense go. I say ward 70/30 in this one.

    As for Bute Hopkins, I am all about Bute in this one. Prime for Prime, no chance for Bute. But NOW, Bute picks him apart into a late round stoppage, or Hopkins pulls some cheap stunt like claiming a low blow for a shot to the solar plexus. Hopkins can only win against an undisciplined fighter nowadays, and Bute is not that.

    My predictions Ward 116-112 over Bute. Bute ko-9 Hopkins.


    Keith
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I strongly disagree with you!

    Hopkins has never been dominated in any fight he has ever been in. The only truly decisive loss on his ledger was the first Jones fight.

    I think what he has done the last two years has been amazing. The Jones fight was ugly, but he was being hit with illegal blows and he did dominate the action (or lack thereof). It was an ugly fight, but Jones never really trying to win didn't help matters there.

    What he did in the two Pascal fights was amazing!

    As for the Dawson thing, I no doubt will give B-Hops the benefit of the doubt, as Pascal himself said.

    I actually think Bernard was starting to measure and time his lead right better. He was missing the mark, but firing more often. Hopkins usually really gets his rhythm around the 4th or 5th, and Chad always has mental lapses where he loses focus and seems disinterested. I believe Hopkins would have pounced on these opportunities throughout the latter 2/3 of the fight with great regularity. It would have been close, competitive, and ugly. I believe Bernard could have won that fight.

    We more or less see this one the same. Bute's a great body puncher and is a rangy big guy with deceptively good reflexes and timing. But Ward is all wrong for him, and barring a big shot, I can't see Bute establishing the necessary range consistently enough to find his rhythm, which means Ward should confuse and befuddle him while landing the crisper cleaner shots with far greater frequency and precision.


    With Bute-Hopkins, I again disagree.

    At this stage, Hopkins DOES pick and choose the styles he wants more carefully. He was all about taking the Pascal fight, and seems just as eager to face Bute. I believe there is a reason for this that goes beyond a payday.

    When Hopkins jumps on an opportunity like I believe he would Bute, I think he sees something similar to what he saw in Pavlik and Pascal-- a style he can exploit with ring smarts!

    I actually see Hopkins-Bute and Ward-Bute being very similar to a large degree, but I have also long described Ward as "a younger version of an OLDER Bernard Hopkins" and I standby that to this day.

    I think Hopkins and Ward both beat Bute in the 117-111/116-112 range, and both have I'd say a better than 1 in 3 chance of even stopping him late.

    Perhaps Ward will be closer to 118-110, and Hopkins margin closer to 115-113 because of his traditionally slower starts at his age, but I see both men taking away his zero.

    It would just depend on who got the opportunity.
     
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  14. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    So you really believe Hopkins was hurt that bad in that fight? From that fall of about 3 feet? With NO doctor documentation?

    Come Rummy, you ain't that gullible.

    Hopkins ducked that fight for as long as possible, then before 6minutes were up gat the hell out of there.

    Dawson is ALL wrong for Hopkins. He knew it.

    Keith
     
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    I'll say this: nobody here - and everywere for that matter, really knows what will happen in a Bute vs Ward fight. These are all more or less biased assumptions, with no tangible proof to sustain them. There is though one fact regarding Ward vs. Bute. Andre Ward did not want to fight him at this point. I don't know if you can call this a duck, but what I do know is that Bute can not be held accountable for not wanting to make the fight happen. He want it, said it, hell, some say he even trained for it.

    Let's put it this way, Ward ducked Bute more than Bute ducked Ward. However, it is OK to ask for a break and fight some easy bouts.
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    That's an arrogant and stupid thing to say. I think A. Ward took the right call by avoiding Bute now, but, IMO, he said some pretty stupid things in his post match interview.

    In other words, it was Ward decision to fight the easy opponents even if there is still one undefeated SMW World Champion available to fight, one who has beaten all the opposition clearer than anybody else (except the Andrade accident) and one who has already said out loud that he wants to fight you in USA. I mean, who cares Bute hasn't fought A level boxers, I certainly don't. Boxing isn't mathematics to know from the start what will happen in a fight. For example, I've seen some really good right hooks in Bute vs. Johnson wich I was not expecting to see. I mean, let's look at the SMW rankings. There is Ward and than there is Bute, and they're both
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    That alone calls for a bout to straighten things out.


    As a conlcusion, I'm sure Ward refused to fight Bute because the romanian is an unnecesary risk for him at this point. Whoever says Ward beats Bute in 10 out of 10 fights is just plain stupid. The match is a potential unification of three belts, there is no sure winner. I agree that A. Ward is very hard to beat, but I reckon that Bute is the only SMW that can do it at this moment. 60-40% Ward, but I personally wouldn't find a Bute win utterly surprising.
     
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