Has today's HW division ever been this good?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by piscator, Dec 20, 2011.


  1. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont have problem with K brothers, but other are sad bunch, seriously when you have someone like Helenious hyped as something special its sad and tells alot about HWs, he doesnt have any skill none, Chisora ****ing out boxed him and got robbed!
     
  2. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Definitely one of the worst era's in boxing history. We all know it. The only people trying to say otherwise are hardcore Klit fanatics who know their heroes will never be ATGs because they've never beaten anybody that matters.
     
  3. Black2023

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    The best heavies pre 1962- and lets look at statistics


    J. Louis 6'2 - Mean championship weight - 203 pounds (5484 pounds divided by 27 title fights)

    J. Johnson 6'1 1/4 - Mean champ wgt -209 pounds (1884 by 9 title fights)

    G. Tunney 6'0 1/2 -Mean champ wgt - 190 pounds (570 by 3 title fights)

    J. Dempsey 6'0 3/4 - Mean champ wgt - 189 pounds (1513 by 8 title fights)

    R. Marciano 5'10 - Mean champ wgt - 186 pounds (1304 by 7 title fights)

    J. J. Jeffries 6'1 - Mean champ wgt - 219 pounds ( 1972 by 9 title fights

    J.J. Walcott 6'0 - Mean champ wgt - 195 pounds (1366 by 7 title fights)

    F. Patterson 5'11 1/2 - Mean champ weight - 187 pounds (2440 by 13 title fights)

    E. Charles 6'0 - Mean champ wgt - 185 1/2 pounds (1672 by 9 title fights)


    Interesting
     
  4. piscator

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    Ring Ratings

    For ratings ended Dec. 19, 2011.


    Heavyweight

    Limit: none


    1. CHAMPION: Wladimir Klitschko

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      Country: Ukraine
      Record: 56-3-0 (49 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: C | Last Week: C | Weeks On List: 343
      Titles: THE RING, IBF, WBO, WBA
    2. Vitali Klitschko

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      Country: Ukraine
      Record: 43-2-0 (40 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 1 | Last Week: 1 | Weeks On List: 167
      Title: WBC
    3. Alexander Povetkin

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      Country: Russia
      Record: 23-0-0 (16 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 2 | Last Week: 2 | Weeks On List: 217
    4. Tomasz Adamek

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      Country: Poland
      Record: 44-2-0 (28 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 3 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 87
    5. Eddie Chambers

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      Country: USA
      Record: 36-2-0 (18 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 4 | Last Week: 4 | Weeks On List: 143
    6. Alexander Dimitrenko

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      Country: Ukraine
      Record: 32-1-0 (21 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 5 | Last Week: 5 | Weeks On List: 162
    7. Robert Helenius

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      Country: Finland
      Record: 17-0-0 (11 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 6 | Last Week: 6 | Weeks On List: 38
    8. Denis Boytsov

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      Country: Germany
      Record: 29-0-0 (24 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 7 | Last Week: 7 | Weeks On List: 131
    9. Ruslan Chagaev

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      Country: Germany
      Record: 27-2-1 (17 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 8 | Last Week: 8 | Weeks On List: 266
    10. Chris Arreola

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      Country: USA
      Record: 34-2-0 (29 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 9 | Last Week: 9 | Weeks On List: 144
    11. Kubrat Pulev Country: Bulgaria
      Record: 14-0-0 (6 KOs)
      Ranking: This Week: 10 | Last Week: 10 | Weeks On List: 10
    These are the top contenders. Seems like most of the references in this discussion have been to people who are not on this list. I think most of these guys usually show up in shape to fight and give it a go. Even Arreola, fat as he is, is pretty tough IMO.
     
  5. quintonjacksonfan

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    You can throw those statistics out the window
    George Foreman was fighting heavier guys in the 90's than in the 70's
    Yet not one fighter from the 90's could put him on his ass. In the 70's three different fighters (Ali,Young & Lyle) had him hurt and ready to go
    Foreman was fresh as a daisy when Lyle had him hurt too
    Just because your heavier does not mean you hit harder


     
  6. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Put Solis and Haye in that list as they should be in place of Dimitrenko and Arreola and that's a very strong list.
     
  7. Black2023

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    Foreman never fought the following hard punchers from 87 to 87-

    R. Bowe
    M. Tyson
    R. Ruddock
    D. Tua
    L. Lewis

    Ali and Young arent bigger punchers than those listed men.....Foreman punched himself out.
     
  8. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your post gives me a headache.
     
  9. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Think is some of this new "fans" of boxing do not realize that, its not more weight automatically more power at all, but you can not explain that to them, for them its only bigger fighter is better and thats it, they dont realize that with that talk they just downgrade k brothers, they are good because of skill not their size, size does help but you have to have good skill to use it!!! Helenious is bih and he is **** so thats end of size talk!
     
  10. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol what a FAIL! look at your poll fool, it shows the truth. OP made a thread to prove his point and included a poll to think it'd help and the exact opposite happened.....

    a blind man could tell this is the worst heavy era in memory. there isn't and hasn't been a legit threat to the Klits for 10 years and Wlad still managed to KTFO by bums
     
  11. JASPER

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    :deal:deal:deal

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  13. Kid Presentable

    Kid Presentable Facial Blocking Full Member

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    Are you comparing Frazier to Corrie Sanders?
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    how did Wlad do in his rematch, i forgot?
     
  14. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Quite clearly you have never heard of Jack Johnson's era.
     
  15. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or any other era. Again, taking a snapshot of the top ten of any era and it looks bad.

    The Ring magazine's top ten from 1970:

    #1 Joe Frazier

    #2 Muhammad Ali

    #3 George Foreman

    #4 Oscar Bonavena (5'10, 205lb, was at the end of his career)

    #5 Jerry Quarry (small Curiserweight fighter, cut easy)

    #6 Mac Foster (never beat a top fighter,)

    #7 Henry Cooper (old holdover from the 50's, never beat a top fighter)

    #8 George Chuvalo (good chin vs LHW/CW's, 59-16-2 at the time)

    #9 Sonny Liston (mob backed, just been KO'd by bum Leotis Martin)

    #10 Jose M Urtain (was Ko'd by many bums, 56-11-4)

    #11 Jose L Garcia (started at SMW, a grossly over weight bum)