Who is the more well-rounded fighter: GSP or Bones?

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  1. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Not true. And it's debatable who has better wrestling.
    The only 3 fighters GSP has finished since 2005 are Serra (a natural LW), Penn (a natural LW) and Hughes (who was past his prime).
    GSP avoided the ground with Shields, won a boxing match against Kos and had Hardy on his back for 25 minutes straight and couldn't stop him.

    Jones on the other hand outstruck Shogun (a great striker), subbed Machida (A BJJ BB), Took down Bader and Hammil at will (two great wrestlers), and took down and subbed Rampage (who has great TD and Sub Defense).

    Jones appears to be the more well rounded fighter by far. He has beaten the best striker he's ever faced by outstriking them, beaten the best submission guy (Machida?) he's ever faced by submitting him and beaten the best wrestlers he's faced by taking them down and beating them on the ground. :deal
     
  2. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    At present I would have to say GSP is more well rounded but only because I haven't seen a guard game from Bones yet. Otherwise Bones is as well rounded as anyone else in the game.
     
  3. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Not being argumentative, but I dont remember seeing a guard game from GSP either. maybe vs Kos in the first match? Fitch for a little? :huh
     
  4. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones is only dominant because of his physical dimensions? Is that why the similar proportioned Cyrille Diabate and LHW incarnation of Alitstair Overeem are/were also unstoppable at LHW? Oh wait...
     
  5. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    it's both, it's the length of him. i'd be intrigued to know his leg length. i bet his leg may be a few inches longer than average.
     
  6. Thom

    Thom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only time that I remember seeing GSP really work the guard was in the second half of the first round against Koscheck. He used the butterfly guard to hold Koscheck in place most of the time. At the end of the round, he went for a sweep and got punched in the face.
     
  7. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And if Charlie Zelenoff was not a ******ed Meth addict he would be normal.

    If doesn't mean ****.
     
  8. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    It's telling.. JJ has a higher TKO/sub rate than GSP. Only one of the reasons why Bones Jones is the more well-rounded.. JJ is clearly performing at a much higher level and against better competition.

    Jones stopped 3 former UFC Champs back to back to back in one year, while GSP has gone the distance with 4 contenders for the past few years..

    The mental game and ability to finish you're opponent are also aspects of being well-rounded.. Not riding out a decision :deal

    GSP has gone the distance for nearly the past 3 years because he lacks the fortitude that champs like Jones and Silva display. He smothers, contains, pesters, and stalls his opponents on the ground as of late because he lacks the confidence, killer instinct, and IMO skillset to finish.. Certaintly a lack of fortitude he has, and I'm not going to justify this because of experience with an average build.

    Although GSP is more successful with his takedowns, I argue that JJ is the more rounded. As of late, GSP has used his grappling to score TDs, only to smother and stall. JJ submits and finishes his opponents more often because his ground game is also more rounded.

    While the rest of the #s are virtually even at The UFC's website, take a look at the totals for grappling

    GRAPPLING TOTALS BY TYPE

    JJ

    SUBM PASSES SWEEPS
    7/19/0

    GSP

    SUBM PASSES SWEEPS
    22/107/5

    It's quite obvious that Jones is performing less ****** business and containing on the ground than GSP. GSP passes, but nothing comes out of these transitions, just minutes off the clock.. Why?

    Because GSP has plateaued.. Either because of a mental block or lack of tools on the ground.

    Jones is the one whose never been taken down.. Look at the #s.
     
  9. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    You might be right. I can't recall GSP ever using his guard for an extended period of time if at all.
     
  10. afterglow

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    I said he was a good wrestler.

    If he didn't have those physical advantages he would just be a good wrestler.
     
  11. afterglow

    afterglow Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yep, you've converted me.

    He'd probably be locking in those chokes even if he had Sherk's arms.
     
  12. PivotPunch

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    GSP: can wrestle**** anyone @170, couldn´t finish Shields standing up and l think he lost 2 rounds, couldn´t submit Dan Hardy
    Jones: can wrestle**** the most at 205 and FINISHES them, can strike with anyone at 205 (except maybe Mousasi and Silva), has great submissions
     
  13. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Hughes is the ATG WW, more than a good wrestler.. Where were his raptor limbs?

    Not to mention going the distance with a one-eyed Koscheck..

    I'm sure Jones could wrestle**** his opponents, but he's more skilled on the mat.
     
  14. afterglow

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    For most part of his prime, that is all he was.

    A good wrestler with great cardio that never stopped trying to go to his bread and butter.
     
  15. Thom

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    Horse****. You have no ****ing clue how effective his submission game, stand up or GnP would be if he had shorter arms. If the guy had different physical attributes, his development as an athlete over the course of his entire life would be completely different.

    Additionally, Jones is a lot more than just a good wrestler with long arms as you've insinuated in your other posts. He's demonstrated that he's an extremely creative fighter with a high cage IQ who can launch unconventional attacks and make adjustments mid-fight. The notion that Jones' reach is the only thing distinguishing him from the dozens of other wrestlers in the UFC who fight on the prelims and the mid-card is laughable.