History repeating itself... Ward/Ottke

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lance_Uttercunt is a complete knob that doesnt put forward any counter points or logic, he just posts.
    Lance is a bit hurt by me after he was seen in the lounge sobbing about being single and then when questioned explained he likes being single. The other story he confessed to was how he went to a boxing club once but found it too tough :lol:. You get the measure of him when you know these details and then view his posts :oops:
    Not at all. Ward doesnt have the opponents Calzaghe had unfortunately to prove that point, which is a shame. I could see Ward edging nearer to Ottke though

     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bute hasn't been operating on the same level that Calzaghe has. He also isn't a clear number 2 as Calzaghe was because Kessler, Froch, Dirrell have all achieved more at 168lbs. Ward's fights aren't nearly as controversial as Otkes, who is largely considered to have 3-4 robberies on his resume
     
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    While I agree Kessler has achieved more, Froch and Dirrell I dont think have at all. Kessler has been beaten by Ward and not fought for a while, so will have dropped in the rankings
    Dirrells best win is arguably Oganov :lol:
    Froch hasnt beaten a fighter that has done anything at SMW other than faded Reid and Magee that Bute has also beaten.
    Bute beat Berrio IBF champ
    Andrade when he was #3 SMW which is higher than anyone Froch has beaten, then Andrade when #5, and I dont think Froch has beaten a top 5 SMW?
    Bika clearer than Ward
    Miranda clearer than Ward
    Bute has beaten more top 10 SMWs than Ward
     
  6. Sidious

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    how can Dirrell achieved more at 168?how,please explain it to me.And even with Froch is highly debatable,but for now let's talk about Dirrell.
     
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    Froch beat former undisputed champion Jermaine Taylor, so did Abraham. Bute has no win close to as good as this.

    Froch and Dirrell beat Abraham, Dirrell/Froch had a very close fight that could go either way.

    Bute is a good fighter, but he hasn't proved himself against top competition yet, he hasn't fought anyone, all those guys you lasted, C Class or past it pretty much. Bute needs to step up
     
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  9. Sidious

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    Taylor was undispute at mw and he was beaten 2 time in a row by Rehab Pavlik.The fact that he was beaten by Abraham is making your statement even worse,cause Abraham can't beat anyone at smw.Taylor was already shot when super6 begin and can't be consider as a better win than Berrio,Andrade or even old fart Johnson
     
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    Abraham can win at SMW, he'd be undefeated against Bute's comp, Bute's feasting on left overs, his best opponents Johnson/Maidana all left overs from Super 6 guys

    Bute hasn't beat anyone yet, Andrade doesn't count for anything
     
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    It seems a little bit premature to call Andre Ward as the next Ottke. It shows more your bias toward him, exactly as many others toward Bute.
     
  12. Sidious

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    Andrade was #3 first time they meet and #5 second time.Taylor was never rated that high at smw.Abraham can win at smw,sure,that's why he's going back to mw.By the way,do you have any ideea what weight was taylor fighting last night?that's right homie,mw,cause he is as good as a smw as Abraham who also want no part of it anymore.......
     
  13. Sidious

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    and when the f--k has Bute fight Maidana?maybe on your xbox..
     
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    This thread will be bumped in about 3 years and you'll be embarrassed.
     
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    So, you're saying the simple act of stepping on foreign soil is enough to spoil the fight for fighter? Is it the travel? The fact that he is in enemy territory? What is it?

    The examples I was looking for from him were of Ring Mag showing bias in favor of American fighters when designating a fight for the Ring championship.

    The examples you posted of fighters and their poor performances mean what? To me it means for the most part they ran into better fighters on the night.

    From what I've seen, there really is a difference to fighting in the US and in other countries. Especially countries in Europe, and Canada. Firstly, the fans in the US aren't nearly as rabid. Much more subdued. Not better, or worse, just different. You also don't get the big dog and pony shows before the fights in the US.

    Fighting abroad isn't a necessity for US fighters. They really have no trouble getting their opponents to come here, for the most part. They can go their whole career and never fight outside the US and it would not adversely affect their career. They can fight many, many times in the US and never have it be considered a "home" fight. It's just the way it is.

    The cause comes from the fact that the options available in the US do not necessitate going outside the country to consistently get quality match ups.