Would boxing history be littered with more Upsets if like MMA

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Black2023, Jan 9, 2012.


  1. Flea Man

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  2. SouthpawSlayer

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    thought it was quite genius what i done there flea
     
  3. Fightfan1912

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    What a useless thread. Has to be P4P one of the worst in history!
     
  4. Flea Man

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    :lol: Not too original though ;-)
     
  5. Jim Bowen

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    Post for post?
     
  6. Roman da phenom

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    HAHA this has turned into a circus, but seriously the Question was phucken stupid.
     
  7. Chad Dawson

    Chad Dawson Guest

    They wouldn't be upsets if it was like MMA
     
  8. Lunny

    Lunny Guest

    Boxing is a sport. It's not a real fight and isn't supposed to be.

    Why do people who post about MMA always talk about what's most like a real fight? How is that relevant?

    If I wanted to watch a real fight I'd just go in town on a Saturday night.
     
  9. widdy

    widdy lancs,where real men live Full Member

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    to be fair to black,he the man,he seen fights the world over,people using knifes and machetes and **** like that man.

    anyhow,boxing is boxing,mma is MMA(gay)(i know,some like it,some don't,ITS THE GAY TIGHT SHORTS AND THE ARSES IN FACES FOR ME,just puts me off:smooch).
    Boxing would not be boxing without rules,it would be gay MMA(if you say if fast,it rhymes)
    gay mma gay mma at the end of the day its gay mma gay mma :rofl


























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  10. Black2023

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    Interesting that people consider anything abstract 'daft' or use tired phrases like 'worst thread of the year'. Rather than merit the question with a fruitful responses, they show lack of belief in themselves to question what life, and ongoings truly are. The interesting thing is that boxing rules, have developed over the century and a lot of the rules were implemented to soften its image.

    Again, the question...would boxing be different if certain rules never had been applied. Dempsey was allowed to tower over Willard as he got up to punch him more, perhaps considering the post modern rules we live in today, Willard could have lasted until the 7th, or 8th round simply from one rule change.

    In a way it benefits fighters with high endurance, and great recovering abilities, Holmes chin is not better than McCall but his recovering ability was incredible, this though could have be negated if rules such as the moment your knock-down, your opponent is allowed to hit you in the head.

    Again in Boxing we want to see the best 'fighter' so I do think its a good way to think about how certain fights would have panned out.

    OR ... should we follow the tired, pedantic, shallow, narrow, humourless sheep like pervasion's and quash anyone that dare question the hegemonic ideals?

    Perhaps, you ancestors were the same one who put the sword to Socrates, for even daring to 'ask'.
     
  11. Black2023

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    Lunny you were fair with your response and I though raised a valid point, normally you delve into the pitiful so respect with a cool response.:good

    Thats an interesting take actually. To me boxing first came about in a sense to see who the toughest guy in the area was but obviously without weapons. I believe they had the right to throw there opponent to the ground, and wrestle somewhat but could not punch below the waist or kick. Weren't allowed to gouge the eye etc. So what we see with boxing now, was somewhat different way back.

    With Sullivan being the first 'gloved' champ, even then they had what 4 ounce, the material was harsher, and if someone could help me on the rules of a down opponent.

    Was it after the Dempsey fight that they decided to change the rules?

    But i guess, in a way boxing isnt a real fight, but for a long time the general public and fans alike always held the 'heavyweight champion' as the best fighter around.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    As always, offended because what you considered some sort of grand statement went down like a lead balloon.

    Also, not exactly original. Many have hypothesised about the street fighting credentials of any number of top level boxers. This is essentially no different.

    Giving a man time to recover when knocked down is inherent to the rules of boxing. Even Dempsey allowed Willard to get half up, and if I'm not wrong it was Dempsey who actually pushed for the neutral corner rule, which ironically ****ed him over against Tunney.

    I'm not certain that many boxers untrained in the art of ground and pound would have finished a fight quickly by pounding on his man (if we're assuming the buzzed fighter would likely recover as opposed to a fight in what a combatant was legitimately stopped) and with the dazed boxer not probably knowing how to defend bottom position, it's likely to become an absolute mess of a scrap before the ref' pulls 'em apart and the hurt man recovers, gets up and continues.

    Unless you're really wondering: who would've won certain boxing matches if they were under MMA rules? Which, regardless of whatever pretentious woe is me outburst it may provoke from you, is probably 'the worst thread ever made'.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    MMA is no longer a 'real fight' either, the very closest you had to that is when a load of non-Japanese were assembled for the first UFC who had no clue about each other's fighting styles and just went at it with no rules. American Ninjas, sumo wrestlers, judo players, catch wrestlers, a boxer wearing one glove, jiu jitsu, kung fu, all ****ing sorts, and they just went at it with, pretty much, no rules.

    How many 'real fights' have we all seen were it doesn't get ended, broken up quickly? Anything other than brutal and quick conclusion either through savagery or it being broken up is an arranged bareknuckle fight I imagine.

    Really, the rules in boxing are in place to ensure a 'good' fight rather than a fair one. MMA is a very athletic sport nowadays and really appears to be a genuine sport in terms of production and the type of action you know regularly see, at the top level at least (UFC)

    What next: Which boxers would've made great Roman Gladiators? Which boxers had the strength to compete in pankration? If fighters were allowed to choke their opponent out with a front headlock/standing guillotine which fight outcomes might've been different?
     
  14. Sogoplayboy

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    To be fair I think that one's got legs! :good
     
  15. Black2023

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    Your wrong, so you have failed miserably on your first assertion that it was intended to be a 'grand statement', perhaps your need to put down others as a constant theme in your posts is in some way covering the lack of ... in your life...care to fill it in it?

    See what I did? I do what you do, and attack someone rather than discuss the points.

    I dont actually believe anything in regard to your character as of course the majority have never met on here. Yet Im willing to bet many more posts from you will attempt to attack me rather than merit discussion on any points.

    Watch this space-

    Back to some serious discussion, as you been far more mature in your second paragraph...thats interesting in regard to the Tunney fight, thought Gene outclassed him easily...very underrated fighter I might add and beat everyone he ever faced.

    No never did I say boxing to be under MMA rules, what I found interesting was the quickness of defeats in MMA and wondered if certain boxers benefited from certain counts that dont exist in MMA.

    I didnt quite pertain to the ground and pound, more if the boxer the moment he got up could be punched again, or half up as you put it. Im not sure how it works if say a boxer was totally on the floor and his oppponent was allowed to punch him in the head whilst flat on his back...but again would boxing be slightly different?

    Would someone as great as Ali have a few more losses or perhaps would he be more cautious because the slight variant in boxing?

    Your last paragraph let you down, it truly has.