How did RJJ lose to Tarver?

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  1. SweetScience

    SweetScience Accuracy is the key! Full Member

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    Was it due to overconfidence? Or was Tarver a matchup problem to him?
     
  2. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Roy won the first fight

    The second fight was a SouthPaw's Left Hook that Roy didn't see - while throwing his own Left Hook.

    The third fight - Roy was just scared. Plus - Tarver rocked him in the late rounds. Roy was in survival mode this whole fight.
     
  3. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    Jones himself, in a moment of rare humility, admitted after the third fight that Tarver woulda given him all he could handle even 5-10 years ago.
     
  4. Shaolin Box

    Shaolin Box Respect Full Member

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    but he would have beaten him in their prime
     
  5. McGrain

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    He was past it. Moving weights had hurt him. He was slower. He has a less than granite chin and the fact that he was slower meant that someone was finallly able to hit him upon it.

    I don't care what Roy said, Jones shut's Tarver out in prime.
     
  6. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    I agree, but that's what Jones said. Strange.
     
  7. McGrain

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    It must have been a freakish feeling for Roy. He gets in with OK looking Tarver invincible, one of the greats. After 3 he looks mortal. Odd.
     
  8. coronacards

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    I think Roy Jones said that Tarver would've given him trouble, because he was (and still is) in denial about his diminished abilities.

    Tarver hit Jones flush, because Jones no longer had the superior reflexes. He's still fast as hell, and can still hit, but the reflexes are pretty shot.

    The weight draining killed him, father time caught up with him, and once he got knocked out once, he became scared for the first time in his career.

    Jones would've given Tarver the same beating (in their respective primes) that he gave EVERYONE else...
     
  9. Polo28

    Polo28 Active Member Full Member

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    Tarver Just Had Roys number. Every fighter has a person like that in there life. Not necessarily better just gives the individual problems.
     
  10. coronacards

    coronacards Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you really think he would've taken a prime RJJ, or do you think he just had the number of a weight-drained, old, and shot RJJ?
     
  11. TFFP

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    Tarver wouldn't have done **** against a prime Jones. He'd have got the same treatment the rest got

    He caught RJJ at the right time, and has lived off it ever since. He's proven himself as a mediocre fighter, getting dominated by old man Mary. A prime RJJ boxed rings around Hopkins and Toney, are we supposed to believe Tarver would have done something different?
     
  12. McGrain

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    I totally agree, in fact I came back to add this to my original post.

    I agree with this too.

    I disagree that Tarver "had Jones' number", at the very least i'd need to here about why, stylisticlly as opposed to just reading the win loss column of a legend in decline.
     
  13. Darien

    Darien Active Member Full Member

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    He got KTFOed.
     
  14. coronacards

    coronacards Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rarely do we agree, but you're 100% correct.

    That's like saying that Danny Williams or McBride would've beaten a prime Tyson.

    Or Trevor Berbick would've beaten a prime Ali.

    It's a joke. NOBODY from 168-175 would've beaten RJJ at his prime.
     
  15. TFFP

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    It was easier to give Tarver credit than admit he is shot to pieces

    I wish he would retire, greats fighting well past their sell by date is the saddest thing in boxing