DLH was such a fantastic boxer

Oscar wasn't doing much in some of the early rounds either from memory. I remember being dissapointed as fan, he promised he'd make it a fire fight. Trinidad probably took the last three, four rounds. He wasn't down 9-0 fight was alot closer than that. I didn't understand the calls of robbery at the time, I remember Teddy Atlas said something like "Oscar gave away his right to complain running the last four rounds", one of the few times I've agreed with him. If Trinidad won the rounds due to Oscar giving them away, he still won them. The frustration of fans should've been centred on Oscar, not the judges.

True, Gonzalez had great chin. As Pacquiao had a great chin at SFW and LW, don't think he ever hit canvas at those weights, and he fought much better fighters.

Can't see how Ruelas was that much better. And Diaz was more of a test than fighting SFWs at LW, though Molina gave Oscar a mighty scare. Some said Pac could struggle vs Diaz (and yes it was this one, aswell as Baby Bull) when Pac was thinking of moving up. It was a great performance by Pac and Diaz was no pushover, he beat Zab Judah twice in a couple weeks in the amateurs to knock him out of the Olympics, and was coming off a W over Morales, which looks better now with Morales proving he wasn't completely shot. At 130 Pacquiao proved a hell of alot more than DLH. I'm just saying Oscar wouldn't be able to beat Floyd, and Pac as easily as his fans think he would based on his KOs at those weights. Both Floyd and Pac proved more than him against better fighters, showed the better chin. Both should be clearly favored over Oscar at 130-135 based on that

 

I would like to know who were the idiots who thought that Diaz was a real threat to Pac at that time... were you one of them???

So Morales was shot, but not completely (but still shot regardless) ... is that what you mean????

I think you are missing the point.... the main reason for people to think that Hoya (at that time) would have beaten Pac has nothing to do with who they fought, but rather their styles and pros/cons... a stationary Hoya would lose but the Hoya of those years was good and had physical advantages that he would have used the same way he did at that time against smaller op.

I think Ruelas was actually better than Diaz, but lets say that it is at par with Diaz.... that doesn't make Pac's win over Diaz great... does it?

Find me another Champion at 135 Lbs worst than David Diaz.

 

Some people are severely underrated Oscar's competition; few in the last 20 years could survive their ATG ranking with the picking apart of their resume by the same harsh standards people are applying to Oscar.

 

You are right.

I am going to say this for the record.... I never liked Oscar.... I wanted him to lose all the time, but I have to admit that he was good, and my dislike for him doesn't make me a person that will think with my ass...

I believe that Oscar, the one we saw fight in those years would have defeated the Pac that fought David Diaz at 135.

His own trainer Roach picked Oscar only when he knew that Hoya coudn't pull the trigger any more... those were his own words... not mines...

Roach would have never adviced Pac to fight Hoya if Oscar was at his prime at the time they fought.....

 

Oscar dion't run the last 4 rounds though. watch the fight, he only ran in the final 2 rounds. The exact round his corner told him to box and not exchange anymore.
Trinidad wasn't landing more than one jab at a time and the odd grazing hook. Oscar was peppering him almost every round the first 9. Titos eye was shut, shorts were covered with his blood from his nose, while Oscar was apparently facing the hardest puncher he ever faced yet own face was unscathed. Oscar had more damage on his face from Miguel Gonzalez. lol

Oscar's body work to boot was awesome. Oscar was landing every combination he fired. Trinidad would move forward, only to get stopped in his tracks. Trinidad was essentially lost, until Oscar got on his bike, but even then Tito only landed a couple meaningful punches that still didn't remotely hurt Oscar.

Teddy has always been an Oscar hater. I don't think I've heard him say anything good about him. Oscar fought a beautiful fight against Tito minus round 11 and 12. And it had nothing to do with gassing or fear of getting KO'd. Please. We saw what Quartey did to Oscar, hurt Oscar a TON more, dropped him and when Oscar knew he was down came back and put the fight away. He knew he was far ahead of tito, or should have been, so felt no need for any desperation.
You do realize Don King had a lot to do with Trinidad winning that fight, right? Shocker.

 

Tito won the last 4 rounds... Oscar admitted that he felt Tito's power and did not want to feel it again.


Let's not pretend Tito lost all 8 rounds prior to the last four. Let's not pretend Oscar's pitty pat shots was a "clinic" either. THink for yourselves in 2012 and stop repeating **** you heard someone else say for once.

 

A hard fight? I dont see anyone right now that can beat a prime DLH.

 

Fixed, like the result from the fight. Whether he ran the last 4 or last 2 rounds he won at least 8 rounds and the most one could give Tito from a realistic standpoint is 4 rounds.

 

:good:good:good

He fought everyone, one of the greats. Top 30 for me.

Who has a better resume is resent years?

 

If he won all three, how is he over rated?

Who have distroyed all the other great boxers around there weight class?

Ali ? lost vs Joe, lost 2 / 3 vs Ken , almost betten vs Henry, etc...

Leonard ? lost vs Duran , was lossing vs Hearns (before he got the KO he needed) very even vs Hagler dropped by davey boy etc...

Hopkins ? fought on even terms with much smaller Oscar before the ko, even terms with smaller Winky, best win was vs Tito (who Oscar already beat , at Tito's better weight) , who hovers around weights picking fights that he can win etc...

 

Oscar felt more power from Quartey, did that stop him? Oscar also said that had he of known he was behind in the tito fight he would have finished it. Oscar's corner told him flat out to "stop the bull****, box the last two round and then we go home" alcazar
Oscar didn't lose the last 4 rounds, he possibly lost 3 of those rounds but he practically swept the first 9. Pitty pat shots? who's eye was shut? who's nose was bleeding? Whose shorts were covered with blood? Pitty pat shots from a guy that KO'd almost 90% of his wins? please. Trinidads head was jerked back like a bobble head doll countless times. I've seen the fight 20 times probably and just saw it 2 months ago again.
That fight is the only time I've seen his dad stand, smile and applaud Oscar. He knew Oscar had won.
Oh and one judge actually gave Oscar the 12th round. Fishy considering Oscar barely threw a punch. Wonder why? :roll:

 

Great fighter just seemed to suffer some bad luck

Bad decisions vs Trinidad and Mosley in the second go

A rare body shot KO loss while holding his own vs Hopkins

was out of shape vs Sturm and didnt turn in a good fight

he sort of turned into a promoter more than a boxer after the Hopkins loss and became inactive

also his huge blockbuster fight he fought Floyd and lost but it was obvious he was declining

then to add insult to injury the fading great looked so lethargic and just weak at 147 vs Manny and took a bad retirement beating from a small man

his end did not honor or pay homage to his prime like boxing does to most great fighters like Ali and many others

Its a shame because Oscar was his best when i was young and just really got into boxing when i reached an age where i could watch boxing and truly comprehend and understand the sport he was out of his prime and his best days were behind him

even at the end he showed dignity and class refusing to lose vs Floyd and Manny while trying to the very end

 

Yea, bad luck for sure. Yea the decision over sturm was a gift but That tito decision really fuked Oscar. THe momentum he would have carried had that fight had legit judging would have been insane. He wouldn't have come out trying to prove he was a badass against Mosley falling right into Mosley's speed game. That tito decision had severe repercussions on Oscar's mentality and fight game.

 

Have to agree Oscar was pure class. Outstanding boxer.
I remember watching Oscar once and it wasnt till you watched the slow mo replays that you saw just how good his defence was in his prime also, he didnt take too many clean shots and caught alot of his opponents shots on the gloves.

I felt Oscar deserved the win over Tito and Mosely, those losses were very harsh in my opinion

 

Top 30? atsch

Throwing out desperate flurries is not fighting on even terms.Hopkins was handedly beating De La Hoya,and did so by outboxing him.


And when did Davey Boy green drop Leonard? In his sleep?