Why Does Pacquiao Need to Catchweight Cotto?

:deal Both guys have options of their own in their own divisions.

 

Not really... That will only happen if the so called extra weight is actually extra... lets say he has been fighting at a higher weight that isn't his, maybe just for a fight or two, in other words he can fight at the lower weight wich is his real weight class....then the smaller still at disadvantage even if the so called bigget cuts the weight...

If I am lazy for example and don't train properly, I might not be able to make the weight to fight in my own weightclass and therefore I will have to fight at a higher weight and possibly to pay for the extra pounds to my adversary if he demanded so....

The boxer who is smaller, and has been fighting at that weight, lets say 2 or three pounds under the limit of a division, that boxer, is already used to that weight.... the one coming down will have to fight the scale to make it...

 

First of all, when Pac fought Cotto he was moving up from 140.

Second, at a certain point a fighter's body reaches it's limit where even if he fought there a couple times his body will never be really used to that weight.

What you said in your first paragraph is exactly the situation with pac.

 

Lance, I understand you.... to me all catchweights past or present are stupid, or shouldn't exist...

I am from the old school,... if you remember there were originally only 8 wight classes and that's why they created more to make some fights possible and avoid physical problems.... So the catchweights were officially created, for example we didn't have 130 lbs before now we do...

So, if you cannot make the weight up or down, then forget it.... The problem is that many boxers do it because of the money....

 

Pac was having weight problems since he fought Maques at 130, I remember in those days before moving up, he was doing 145 on fight night. Basically he was ok with that weight on fight night, Fighting Cotto and making around that weight isn't a problem... but for the one that cannot cut weight, then is misery.

 

145 on fight night means that he is not a true WW and could fight at 135 or 140. Even the old school fighters used to cut weight. Just cause a fighter is cutting weight doesn't mean he is at a disadvantage. Ask Gamache.

 

I understand the first reason, but the second? Can't really go there, if he doesn't want to fight at 150 and above then Cotto shouldn't be an option and if that's so I think Pac should go for another 147 fighter.

 

Listen, nobody is saying that he was a true welter that night... all what I am saying is that he used to weight 145 on fight night before fighting Cotto, so making 145 or around that weight again was not going to be a problem for him...

He did not have to make any extra sacrifices to do that weight.... it was not the first time that he was going to weight 145 the day of the fight... on the other hand Cotto is a guy that has the tendency to gaing weight fast, now he isn't even make 147..... so basically thats the problem... and soon he will have to fight at 160 probably... eventhough his height isn't really good for that weightclass.

 

Yes, because of money. If they want to sacrifice themselves to make more money, who are we to say NO? These guys have entered one of the most dangerous professions to make money. And it's ultimately up to them. Like with Cotto here, I am glad he said no thanks.

I've said this before in another post, I don't have a problem with all the weight classes as much as I do all the titles and "champs" in each one. That is where the big problem lies.

And aside from catchweights, there are bigger and more pressing matters in boxing then catchweight fights. Politics, stripin of fightig champs, sanctioning bodies favoring certain promoters or to a certain ehthnicity of fighter, networks acting as promoters yet not having to follow the rules and regs promoters do. Networks OVERPAYING fighters to fight puffs as favors to managers. GBP's old 'bait and switch' with valuable TV dates. Can go on and on.

And I hear what you mean. I started watching boxing in the mid 80's. right now, boxing is 90% business, 10% sport. And it's ****ed up. So about all we can hope for now a days are decent scraps. And if it means two guys from two different divisions have to meet halfway, then I will not complain. UNLESS, it's highly unreasonable for one and not the other.

But it's not like Cotto was outgrowing WW. Like a lot of fighters, he got beat, and moved up to the next division to try again. And he looks small compared to the other JrMW's.

Personally, I would rather just have him not fight.

 

what I meant by the second reason is that old Pac would've done it regardless. Like when he moved up to 126 and fought both Barrera and Marquez, then mvoed up to 130 and fought Morales. It those days he didn't give a ****. He's lost that fire imo.

 

I respect your opinion... it sounds very sincere to me... and I agree with you... there is a lot of garbage going on that is ruining boxing.

I personally don't care if he wins or loses because of the catchweight, but I hate the fact that we'll here that **** until who knows when...

 

lol that's bull**** about Cotto having to fight at 160 soon. He wanted a 150 catchweight for Margarito! don't you understand Pac's weight was 138 vs Hatton after a full training camp? You expected him to carry a solid 9lbs more for 147 just a few months later? He'd have to eat alot more, cut down the intensity of his training so he doesn't burn it all off, it just wouldn't work for that short space of time. Fight was made at 145 as it was the fairest for both. Pac originally wanted 142/143 and they comprimised in the middle at 145. Are you Mexican? Why did Chavez fight Whitaker at 145? Tell me why that was different?

 

He is also maxxed out at 144/145 unlike at the lower weights, which people are overlooking. He only rehydrates to a few lbs more at WW. WWs rehydrate into the mid 150s if not into the 160s like Margarito.

 

I am getting to that point to be honest. I've questions why I should continue to give a **** about the sport. If it's not this type of ****, then it it's bad judging. Ad that trickles down to lesser known fighters too.

Believe me, I'm not too far from where you are.

Appreciate the discussion. :thumbsup

 

Didn't cotto want to fight Margo at 150? Catch weights are overrated.