Why Does Pacquiao Need to Catchweight Cotto?

Read the post again... if you don't understand what I said then take a reading comprehension course....


Regarding Cotto, when I said that he has weight problems is because he has some weight problems... he had this problems since he was fighting at 140... So the way is going eventhough he asked margo for a catchweight, it would not be out of the question that in a couple of years he will end up asking for a catch weight to fight someone from the MW division... He might not fight at 160 but he might fight at 156/157, which is out of his division.

Why doesn't he fight at 147 anymore????

 

My opinion is he was beaten out of 147, and enticed w/ a belt vs. a light hitter in Foreman. It was a smart business and career move for Cotto. Made him a champ again, and seemed to have rejuvenated him some. Maybe a confidence thing.

 

I think he was beaten out of WW, but also he cannot make the weight anymore, and he asked Margarito for a catchweight because he was going to be in a better position fighting at that weight than fighting at the limit.... I might be wrong...

 

Or you might be spot on. Just my opinion on it.

 

Well, going to sleep.... gotta work tomorrow.:twisted:

 

You didn't answer why the catchweight for Chavez-Whitaker was acceptable, since your an old timer you would have been following boxing when it happened, and why it was different to Pac's?...also just saw Meldrick Taylor challenged Terry Norris for his JMW belt at 149 a year before...why was that one different?

 

Because everybody, and yes I know you too bball, knows that Pac can't even make 150.
His ideal fight night weight has always been 148lbs.
JMM was f*cking bigger than him the last time they fought FFS.

And more importantly, team Pac learned the hard way that 150 was their limit and have been quoted countless times that "they are sticking to WW and not coming up in weight EVER again".

However, I do agree with you that this is a joke a fight unless it's at 154 since:

1. Pac already annihilated Cotto at WW, thus
2. We must give all advantages to Cotto since he doesn't stand a chance.

 

Catchweight fights are gay. Manny loves catchweight fights. Therefore Manny loves gay.

 

Listen you are taking everything out of context....

1- Pac did (past time) and can (present) make 145 lbs without a problem... he did it several times before going to WW... He did that since he was at 130...

2- Since he WAS ABLE TO MAKE that weight (ON FIGHT NIGHT) when he was at 130 it's logical to think or believe that he wasn't going to have problems doing that... Pac himself said (I believe was after the fight vs JMM at 130), that he felt dehydrated, his body didn't assimilate well the cut of weight...

3- Roach, knew as Pac's trainer, that for Pac it was not going to be difficult to make the weight he wanted to fight Cotto.... and that was true.

4- Cotto, might look ok, but he's naturally bigger than Pac and getting older won't make it easy for him... having fought at less than the limit before the fight with Pac doesn't mean anything.... and that's why he's saying now that he won't do it again... he won't sacrifice himself again...or something like that....because he suffered to make the weight the first time... The question is: DO YOU BELIEVE HIM??? I do,.... if you dissagree, that's fine with me....

5- Regarding Chavez vs Whitaker.... I said to Lance in one of my post the following:

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I am from the old school,... if you remember there were originally only 8 wight classes and that's why they created more to make some fights possible and avoid physical problems.... So the catchweights were officially created, for example we didn't have 130 lbs before now we do...

So, if you cannot make the weight up or down, then forget it.... The problem is that many boxers do it because of the money....

5- I don't hate Pac... but I dislike catchweights fights, and therefore I will be against any fight that happens at any cathweight.... IS THIS CLEAR FOR YOU NOW????

6- Regarding Cotto's weight, I said also to Lance in one of my post the following:

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I think he was beaten out of WW, but also he cannot make the weight anymore, and he asked Margarito for a catchweight because he was going to be in a better position fighting at that weight than fighting at the limit.... I might be wrong...

And Lance answer was:
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Or you might be spot on. Just my opinion on it.

So, if you disagree about my opinion in regards to Cotto's weight past or present, then, that's ok with me...it is just my opinion the same way you have yours... Lance thinks that I might be right, but also he might be right as well, or you might be right and Lance and I might be wrong.... UNDERSTOOD?????

 

I think is the other way around.... Gays love Manny :yep

 

If Pacquiao was dehydrated at 130, logically making 135 was the best for him, not another two divisions up. You're overlooking the rehydration aspect of moving up in weight. For instance Montiel weighed 132 against Donaire, it's like saying Montiel would have no problem making 132 vs a lightweight, where he would be severely outweighed on fight night. That does not exactly favor him, no gaurantee he'd be able to carry the weight without it effecting his physical abilities, or that his power and chin will hold up against bigger guys. The LW coming down in weight evens out that risk a little bit, as Cotto having to lose 1lb from his previous weight was supposed to do in the Pacquiao matchup.

They were both giving something up, Pacquiao wanted to fight at 142, the highest weight he'd been before and knew he could make and still feel his best. He conceded to fight at 145, not knowing how he'd feel or perform with a couple extra lbs and with the likelihood he'd have to change up his training and eating to get there. Just as Cotto conceded going down a couple lbs, but essentially 1lb from his previous weight. If you think Cotto was the only one taking risks and sacrificing anything, fair enough, I'll agree to disagree, every one has an opinion like you said. As for catchweights, personally I don't mind them, if they help entice two fighters in different weights to meet each other.

And no, I don't believe Cotto. He didn't say anything at the time. He made steroid accusations, but I didn't hear him mention weight. My feeling is he knows Pacquiao would likely destroy him again at welterweight and is looking to have as much of an advantage this time, with Pacquiao not wanting to weigh more than 144/145 for his fights. That would be a significant weight advantage to Cotto at 150 and above. Cotto tried similarly to gain an advantage with Margarito, wanting to fight at a lower catchweight, and that wasn't to even the playing field.

It could also be that he can't make 147, that I wouldn't question. He's been at JMW for a while now, and is just making his point clear with those choice of words, in not being willing to sacrifice his body again. I hope he doesn't go down to 147, for me this fight is better at 150 and above with Cotto having the weight advantage, but it's understandable why Pacquiao would not be willing to give him that advantage, and it's also wrong to expect him to. 6lbs is a lot to be giving up to an elite fighter, he did it before and paid for it.

 

Was he not hungry when he fought Cotto the first time at a catch weight?...:think It's just an excuse to justify more of his bull ****...:yep

 

The only logical answer to this question I believe is, Pac does not think he can beat Cotto if Cotto has the advantage. He fought Clottey at 147 and fought Margarito at 150lbs. What other reason could it be why he won't fight Cotto at 150 or 154 now?

 

:good Roach probably saw something that caused concerned. Its getting too obvious that Pacquiao's management has cherry picked ever since the 2nd Marquez fight...

 

I am not overloking anything.... if he did not say anything at that time, he may have his reasons, probably would have sound stupid if you ask me... is like Lance said before, they are the ones who put themselves in that position, and that is true, nobody was pointing a gun to his head...

Now that there is an opportunity to fight again, he's just simply saying that he won't do it again...simple as that... and all what Pac has to say is thank you very much... see you later... I don't see any problem with that... but some people sound bitter if Cotto doesn't want to accept the catchweight... my question to those people is WHY?????

There are cases I believe in which the man going up had all the disadvantages, but wasn't only related to the weight.... Hoya vs Hopkins is an example....Bernard had a lot of discipline during his career, and never had weight problems, he could make the weight very easy... but he beat Hoya not because of his weight, but because of his class... he was a better boxer than Hoya simple as that, but Hoya coud not handle his own weight... However, even if Hoya had belong to the same weight class as Bernard, I believe the result would have been the same... maybe not a KO but a clear UD.

Nothing is 100%, but I think in most cases the boxer coming down risks more than the one going up.... We also have plenty of cases of boxers from the same division, that could not make the weight and they drained themselves to make it, and they paid a high price for doing that....they basically did not belong to that weightclass anymore but they refused to move up , so they could take advantage after rehydrating themselves, until the time came and they couldn't do it anymore....So yes a couple of Lbs might defeat you right on the scales....and can kill you too, not joking around....

If Paquiao accepts Cottos conditions and then he loses the fight, then he has nobody to blame but himself, because nobody has pointed a gun to his head...

So, to me is better not to have this fight than having 145670029888944 excuses after the loser and his fans start excussing the defeat....

And if you don't believe Cotto, you are entitled to that... that's your opinion... I disagree with it, but I respect that....