If Cotto fights Mayweather next and wins

I think you should be asking If Cotto wins, what happens to Floyd. I doubt it happens though.

 

PAC's win against Cotto is as valid ad Margos win in my books

 

I think it's unfair to take the credit away from Pac in his perfomance over Cotto. It's true that Cotto would have stood a better chance with better decisions (like an exprienced trainer [like Emmanuel] and no catchweight), but the point is he didn't make the best decisions and it back fired a bit. Not Pac's fault and not the reason why Pac won.

 

I know this is an "if" situation, but it's such a huge IF have to make a few comments:

I thought cotto hasn't looked any better, that he was still running and not standing his ground and about to psychologically be tested in exactly the same fashion as the first Margarito fight - ie - that he was the same guy as from the first fight, just that Margarito had more wear and tear on his eye. It was the same fight from a momentum/psychological perspective.

Also, that Yuri Foreman, though he had a good record, had no power to discourage someone like Cotto who can punch, and was not a strong champion.

Cotto should not be competitive with Floyd. If he is, we an expect that Manny would do JUST AS WELL as Cotto. cotto is going to get shut out. He's not better than he was - he's exactly the same guy.

Sure, it might be styles making fights, but I would be more likely to make that argument with a Pac/Floyd vs. Jmm/Oscar/Hatton/Mosley comparison. Pac only did worse against one of those guys, but that style is obviously no good for him. Cotto should not win more than a round or two, if that, from Floyd - too predictable and too slow. I would be very very surprised if it was competitive at all.

 

Technically both catch weight. fights were not imposed by pacs team. ODLH asked for the weight they fought in and pacs team agreed. Cottos team asked for the 145 catch weight and pacs team agreed. Even with out steriods pac didnt win against cotto in a physical stand point he won the mental game and baited cotto all night. He slow slow fast him so many times cotto didnt know what happened.
And the corner didnt help by wanting to throw the towel before even coming up with a game plan. It felt that they worked on plan A so long that when that fell apart planed B was a after thought.

 

Crappy corner and weight drain played a najor factor in that fight. If it wouldn't be a factor then why did team pac request that?? Roach knew that he had to drain Cotto, just because Cotto was dumb enough to go through with doesn't mean that it didn't play a part in manny having an advantage. Cotto looked like he had a hangover, I've never seen him so pale and uncoordinated, The camp obviously sucked. Pac is still a great fighter, but that victory shouldn't get so much praise.

 

If Mayweather wins it's another "too late, should have fought years ago," affair.

If Cotto pulls of the upset it's "that's why May ducked him years ago."

Only Mayweather's bank account benefits from this fight.

 

I'd laugh.

 

That was scripted, they are all scripted

 

cotto had poor preparations and no real corner for that fight. there was no one there to correct all the mistakes he was making during training camp which carried into the fight. with a real trainer...cotto beats pac.

 

these conclusions are kind of what is so tragic about Pac's career. It's like most ascribe his run at welter to insane luck in that every time he faced an opponent it was the very very very worst possible version of that opponent, and then guys like Kirkland or Khan get stopped by guys like Ishida and Prescott and go on to be re-hyped.

One bad camp does not make you forget how to fight. It just means you aren't in optimum shape. there's nothing I have seen from Cotto since his fight with Judah that would lead me to believe he would beat Pac definitively. He's honestly not looked great against Mayorga, though it was a good fight, Foreman had never fought an opponent like Cotto, and the second Margarito fight was exactly like the first plus eye damage and age. Nothing I have seen indicates Cotto is any better now than he was the first time he fought Tony.

 

Oh, and I do think Pac IS getting past his best now. If Cotto wins a rematch, in my mind it only solidifies that it is finally Pac who has been on a slow decline, but I still vastly favor Pac no matter the weight.

 

if i didn't know what i was talking about, i'd probably agree with u. there are several things pacs opponents have in common since his move up to 147. several of them had weight issues....trainer issues...or were coming off of career ending beatdowns. this isn't speculation, it's fact. his reign at 147 is the product of very careful, favorable matchmaking and stipulations. when all things are equal...we get pac/marquez 3...which i thought marquez won 8-4. if and when cotto rematches pac...u will see what i know. when all things are equal, pac isn't great.

 

Pac is definetely a great fighter and was very special in his Morales, Barrera, Marquez days. But ever since his move up to Welter, its been
very careful matchmaking at its finest.