De La Hoya - Trinidad Revisited - Not Such A Robbery?

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  1. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i'll need to actually sit down and score it to say for sure but i can't help but lean towards a crocked decision. not the worst ever but don king may have bought his fair share of wins, nothing to say this wasn't one of them
     
  2. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    De La Hoya started to coast after 8 rounds right? You might be thinking that he won all 8 and with 4 rounds left he had the fight in the bag. The thing is that judging in pro boxing is subjective. It really comes down to who dose the judge like better who in their opinions had the better round. You should assume that you have won two less rounds than you belive you have. If you think you won 8/8 you should assume the judges have you wining no more than 6/8. Meaning that the best you can do is a draw.
    Basicaly coasting starting in the ninth round, giving away rounds 9,10,11&12 is what cost De La Hoya the fight.
     
  3. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For some reason, The recent fight between Marquez and Pacquiao reminds me a lot of this fight.
     
  4. blacktopbully

    blacktopbully Boxing Addict banned

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    ? you are aware the mosley mematch happened 2 or 3 years after the first mosley fight with both still being in good shape?


    say oscar did make room for whitiker in 99/2000 even 98 would it have made a difference?
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you trying to justify his bum of the month tour in 97-98?
     
  6. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    After Mosley lost 2 fights in a row and was clearly not the same fighter he once was - yes i'm aware of it.

    No, i don't think so.

    Whitaker was on his last legs, Oscar was in his prime.
     
  7. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of the worst robberies of the last era.

    Oscar thumped him. Gave him a boxing lesson.

    It shocks me that people find reason to score a round for Tito like three.

    "Ooh, he landed a hook! I don't care that Oscar landed three, Tito ACTUALLY HIT HIM!'

    Ridiculous.
     
  8. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tito could have lost every round as long as it appeared to be competitive he was going to win. Oscar was the clear winner.
     
  9. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its not robbery in my opinion Oscar done very little in a lot in the whole fight, its was extremely tedious with both guy doing very little. last time I scored I had De La Hoya winning after 8 rounds, after 12 1 had it for Trinidad if I remember correctly by 1 point, Oscar was disgracefull in the closing rounds of that fight.

    Never understood how anybody could consider it a robbery.
     
  10. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't believe people trying to defend Tito here.

    It's a clear robbery. ODLH was landing almost at will. That left jab did all the controlling. His defense was superb. Generalship was all too evident.

    Really, what can you give Tito here? Landing less than half of his power shots than how much he normally would?
     
  11. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tito wanted to move up in weight, as I recall. I believe he said even before the fight that this would be his last fight at the weight.

    Years later, there was talk here and there of a rematch happening. At one point, I remember Oscar trying to lure Tito out of one of his retirements with talk of a rematch.

    Besides, their actual fight was a colossal bust. There was no great clamor among fans to see, let alone pay to see, a rematch of their stinkfest.
     
  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Round 3:
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    DeLaHoya did next to NOTHING for nearly the first two minutes of the round, while Tito just kept pecking away at him (albeit inaccurately) with his jab. Only in the last minute did Hoya actually open up and try to steal the round with some flashy flurries, but many of his punches were not clean either.

    I don't believe Tito did enough to actually win the fight either, but this round encapsulates some of the difficulties in scoring the early round action. Both fighters were super tentative and neither was particularly accurate or effective with his punches. Hoya was the more effective when he actually opened up, but he often fought only in intermittent spurts.
     
  13. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd hardly say he was landing "at will."

    He fought in flashy spurts, and many of the punches in his flurries didn't really land cleanly.
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This is exactly how I saw it.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think that's the story of the fight, very little activity and DLH tried to edge rounds. DLH got on his bike doing little other than maybe a few jabs, Trinidad missed allot but landed 1/4 of some powerful power punches while Oscar threw little. Then Oscar occasionally threw flurries that landed very clean.

    Here's my round on round analysis:

    1: (E) nothing happened, close in terms of what was landed Tito coming forward, DLH landed a good combination near the end, either way round
    2. (E)again little, either way. DLH landed a little more cleaner, Tito threw more and landed some
    3. (DLH) Clear DLH
    4. (T) Clear Tito
    5. (E) Tito throws so much more stalking DLH, allot of it missed but was landing at seemingly a decent rate but more cuffing shots than really cleanly. DLH throws a very clean flurry at the end of the round but hadn't done hardily anything prior to that
    6. (DLH) DLH starts brilliantly in the first 40seconds landing combinations at will. Then he starts running (why oh why??), Tito doesn't land at a very good rate but lands an occasional big punch. Mid-way through the round Oscar puts another good combo together, then gets on his bike again. Now the crowd start booing really loudly - that really has to affect the judges on some level. Big round for Oscar though vastly outlanding
    7. (E) Tito comes stalking early with DLH doing little in the first min. Tito lands some good left hook to the body and lead rights. Oscar is landing more jabs on the backfoot but no powershots. The crowd start booing again
    Second miniute, practically nothing is landed, Tito throws, Oscar evades, eventually midway through the round Tito lands a big left hook. Oscar misses a few jabs, Tito lands a few hooks, then a jab and a right. Merchant comments 'The inclination is to think, 1 man's trying to fight and 1 man's trying not to fight'. Oscar starts the last miniute better landing a few tippy tap punches in a slow first 35 seconds. In the last 25 seconds Oscar lets his hands go and lands a good few powershots, maybe 7 or so. Is this enough to win the round when one man bossed the rest of it, I don't think so
    8. (DLH) Oscar boxes well for 20 or so seconds then goes on his backfoot, Tito stalks him and then really starts to time his powershots on target now. Oscar retilerates letting his hands go until 1:30 he's clearly won the first half of the round then gets back on his bike, this time Oscar get's his jab working better on the backfoot. Clear Oscar round but Tito landing more than in the earlier going
    9. (T) Tito really starts getting his timing down this round, Oscar just backs out aside for a few flurries for a few seconds every now and again. But Tito is landing constantly at this stage. Tito round for me
    10. (DLH) Oscar clearly outlanding Tito on the backfoot, Tito does time some good powershots but not enough, DLH actually fires back after being hurt.
    11. (T) Oscar ran
    12. (T) Oscar ran

    So 4 DLH rounds, 4 Tito rounds and 4 even swing rounds, which could go either way. It depends if your happy to give the round to the man who only fights for 30seconds a round and while evading his opponent for the rest of it still is getting hit. People who act like Trinidad wasn't landing were wrong, Oscar himself wasn't that accurate either