Who saw Giardello W15 Hurrican Carter? Impressions?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by kenmore, Jan 30, 2012.


  1. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never saw this fight, but from what little I read, it was a very clear and comfortable win for Giardello. Am I correct?

    I've heard that Giardello just outboxed Carter, plain and simple.

    What's the truth?
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yeah he straight outboxed him. Carter finished fairly strong but not as much as the film makes out.

    No way could it ever be scored for hurricane.
     
  3. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    The movie ****ing sucks!
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Carter bullied Giardello on the ropes, Giardello did the better pure boxing but Carter worked him over good and proper


    Only watched the first 9-11 rounds but unless Giardello closed strong you're wrong
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Giardello won the fight clearly, according to Boxing Illustrated ringside reporter Lew Eskin.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You've got to be kidding me.

    Do you not favour clean effective punching above all else?
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes but thought Carter landed plenty on him and you have to factor in effective aggression (and I would rate it effective), I've only seen the first 9-12 rounds but Carter edging it at that stage
     
  8. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    The whole fight is on YouTube IIRC.
     
  9. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clear win for Giardello on my scorecard. He outboxed Carter and was the more effective puncher.

    Carter managed to corner Giardello at times but he did little effective work with it and most of his punches landed on shoulders and gloves or were slipped.

    Again, on my scorecard it was a clear win for Giardello.
     
  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    A could have gone either way fight.

    Carter's film made it out to be a robbery, which in turn invited the inevitable backlash which was overdone with many claiming it was a wide Giardello win\boxing masterclass.

    In fact it was seen as a tight fight that was generally also seen as a fair decision at the time...though many fights of similar competitiveness have gained reputations as robberies or being notably disputed throughout boxing history(rightly or wrongly)

    Giardello was past his best, had lost a few notches in the reflexes department and really struggled with Carter's handspeed, while Carter seemed to have first title fight nerves and was more tentative than usual.

    One of those bouts where i find it very interesting to see what other people thought, because of the strong backstory in favour of either fighter you can find from various often dubious sources.Lets me see who struggles to dissasociate strong consensus opinions(and likely bias) from their own viewing, as blatantly very close evenly contested fight is very blatant:yep
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Clear win for Giardello
     
  12. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nicely said. Boxing is all about clean, effective punching. This is just as true of the pros as it is of the amateurs. It's lamentable that so many fans overlook this, and naively favor the fighter who is more aggressive and more physical, but who connects with fewer clean shots.
     
  13. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post.

    Something I've noticed in fights like this -- bouts this evenly contested, and that feature infighting -- is that too many observers favor that fighter who happens to land the most obvious and easy-to-see punches, while simultaneously ignoring the multitude of harder-to-see, subtle, inside punches. If observers take pains to track those messier, hard-to-see punches, and strain to track which blows land and which punches miss by half an inch, they will find that they're watching an entirely different fight from what they originally thought.

    In these kinds of fights, the punches that connect most obviously and clearly tend to be the exception. The fighter that scores these blows isn't necessarily scoring the most.
     
  14. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's shocking to see how many fans on boards like this fail to see how often punches are slipped, or picked off on the shoulders, gloves, and arms.
     
  15. Wu-Gambino

    Wu-Gambino ESB Swordsman Full Member

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    GP lora, Giardello had lost his legs at this point coming off the Rivero fights and was probably fortunate to make off with the decision from what I recall. JG was running on pure toughness and experience at that point.